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Jab mandate to be decided by Scotus

By mell follow mell   2021 Dec 18, 1:21pm 1,411 views   87 comments         share      


https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/appeals-court-allows-biden-private-business-covid-19-vax-mandate-take-effect?source=patrick.net

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1   Ceffer   2021 Dec 18, 1:24pm  

Let's see if SCOTUS bot says that the executive can legislate by fiat and bestow that power dictatorially on a government agency.
2   PerfectlyFlawed   2021 Dec 18, 3:28pm  

I couldn't care less what the 6th Circuit or SCOTUS says - if the ruling is wrong I'll still REFUSE to follow any bogus orders they issue. They can vaccinate my dead corpse. SCOTUS will have to employ TORTURED legal reasoning to conclude this so-called 'mandate' action is legitimate and does not contradict the U.S. Constitution.
3   WookieMan   2021 Dec 18, 3:57pm  

It’s not legal. No way SCOTUS allows mandates. This ship has sailed.
4   HunterTits   2021 Dec 18, 6:58pm  

WookieMan says
It’s not legal. No way SCOTUS allows mandates. This ship has sailed.


They've done it before.
5   Patrick   2022 Jan 1, 5:40pm  

https://www.williambernardbutler.com/putting-a-nail-in-the-covid-coffin/?source=patrick.net


Smart employers, including Boeing and Southwest Airlines, have already gotten the memo and know how to keep their employees safe while at the same time complying with ALL federal laws, not just the diktats relating to vaccines. They do this by encouraging their employees to request vaccine exemptions. They grant every request, no questions asked. This complies with the law. If SCOTUS upholds the mandates, this strategy will continue to work because it places an unbearable administrative enforcement burden on the federal agencies. If OSHA/CMS attempt to attack an employer who is liberally granting exemption requests, they will be in the impossible position of second-guessing an employer for accepting its employee's lawful exemption request based on the employee's sincerely-held, subjective beliefs. Exemption requests therefore place the battle where federal agencies cannot win--the minds of employees. If the Supreme Court affirms the bureaucracy's mandates, OSHA/CMS will be faced with dissipating their limited resources in an unwinnable war over whether over 80 million people really believe what they have put in their exemption requests.
7   HunterTits   2022 Jan 2, 1:44pm  

And thus states that allow to sue employers who force this can create the perfect storm.
9   Patrick   2022 Jan 7, 12:33pm  

https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/Nicole-Russell/article257113217.html?source=patrick.net

Texas knows Biden vaccine mandate is overreach. Now, Supreme Court should confirm it
10   Patrick   2022 Jan 7, 12:39pm  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/sounds-like-the-nyt-is-telling-its?source=patrick.net


Sounds like the NYT is telling its readers the Biden OSHA vaccine mandate is going down
I know the liberal judges still seem to have no idea that the vaccines don’t end infection or transmission, but they aren’t the majority.
11   joshuatrio   2022 Jan 7, 1:02pm  

i was listening to the supreme courts arguments for mandatary vaxx for healthcare workers for places that did biz with federal govt (medicare/medicad) and the justices are brainwashed AF. It was depressing to say the least.
12   mell   2022 Jan 7, 2:26pm  

It'll be close 6:3 or 5:4 either way 50/50
13   PerfectlyFlawed   2022 Jan 7, 2:43pm  

SCOTUS rarely ever delivers a decisive ruling anymore - its always a weasaly attempt to deliver a small win/loss to both sides but always in the interest of increased State power. In reality, to interpret a law or action being in accordance with the U.S. Constitution is always a fairly clear true/false, win/loss proposition. SCOTUS, like the other branches, is a fucking joke...
15   Patrick   2022 Jan 7, 5:18pm  

https://dossier.substack.com/p/aiding-bidens-attack-on-american?source=patrick.net


This is a crowd that is unanimously triple vaxxed, and they had to get a negative test just to get inside of the building. Yet here they are, in Washington, D.C., accommodating the mask religion. The artist’s rendering of the day perfectly captured the commitment to the truck load of false COVID narratives that were on display Friday.

I’m not sure how the Supreme Court is going to vote on the Biden regime’s OSHA rule (reports seem to suggest that the administration is NOT going to get their way), but I was repeatedly struck by how these men and women of supposed great wisdom and intellect were unable to showcase a grasp of basic information related to COVID Mania. In fact, every liberal justice was trafficking in provable misinformation.

I’ve compiled a list of horribly incorrect assessments and assertions that were touted by the black-robed men and women that sit on our nation’s highest court. Here’s but a handful of their uninformed takes.

Justice Sotomayor overstates children’s COVID hospitalizations by over 700x.

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@TheChiefNerd
Justice Sotomayor claimed today that there are over 100k children hospitalized from C19 in serious condition.

According to the CDC, as of Jan 1st, there are only 140 children hospitalized from C19 across the US. Even the cumulative number is only 5,500.


Justice Breyer claims, in Bidenesque fashion, that there are currently 750 million COVID cases in America.

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Greg Price
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Justice Breyer says that there were "750 million new covid cases yesterday"

There are 330 million people who live in America which means everyone apparently got covid twice in the last 24 hours. ...

Justice Kagan, speaking in the rhetorical form of a climate change hoaxer, says the science is “settled” that COVID shots and masks stop the spread, despite zero evidence proving her assertion. Kagan then declared that vaccines stop transmission, repeating the now proven lies that were advanced by the likes of Dr Fauci and Big Pharma.

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Justice Kagan says that it’s beyond settled that vaccines and masks are the best ways to stop the spread. LOL
January 7th 2022

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Jenin Younes
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Kagan, in questioning attorney arguing against CMS mandate, again insists that vaccines stop transmission. This lack of knowledge as to basic facts about the vaccines- and covid- is concerning. ...

Justice Thomas proved the exception to the fecklessness, becoming the one justice to challenge the core premises both for the mandates and for the narratives behind the pharmaceutical products themselves.

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Marie Oakes
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Justice Thomas asks about the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines in terms of reducing the spread of the virus during the OSHA oral argument session.
January 7th 2022

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Looking at this a different way, it might very well be healthy for the Supreme Court’s aura of incredible wisdom seeing a challenge here. These untouchables — similar to federal bureaucrats in the pre-COVID era — receive far too much blind trust from the public at large.

Meanwhile, the triple vaxxed lawyers arguing against the OSHA rule have tested positive for COVID-19, proving in real time how any vax mandates would be laughably ineffective and purely draconian.
16   Misc   2022 Jan 7, 5:32pm  

After reading the above, the Justices still seem more capable of making the decision than the experts at the CDC and FDA.
17   RedStar   2022 Jan 7, 5:37pm  

I couldn't get past Kagan's and Roberts horrible, brain washed arguments. Was screaming at the phone, so had to stop listening.
18   Patrick   2022 Jan 8, 8:27pm  

https://palaceintrigue.substack.com/p/scotus-hears-vax-mandate-case-lib?source=patrick.net


SCOTUS Hears Vax Mandate Case, Lib Justices Embarrass Themselves
How can people this powerful be this ignorant? ...

So if the Vaccine™ (and it really shouldn’t be called a “vaccine” for the same reason we don’t call the annual flu shots “flu vaccines”) doesn’t prevent the spread of Covid-2019, then what’s the point of a workplace vaccine mandate? In no way, shape or form do the vaccines prevent the spread of Covid-2019 inside workplaces.

Doesn’t matter. In the liberals’ view, it’s as simple as this: Covid is bad and scary, therefore the government should have unlimited power.

But they don’t like to say that second part out loud, so all they do is just repeat over and over again COVID IS BAD AND SCARY!!!!! 😱
21   Patrick   2022 Jan 9, 5:21pm  

https://www.ntd.com/cdc-director-disputes-supreme-court-justice-sotomayors-claim-about-children-seriously-ill-with-covid-19_725190.html?source=patrick.net

Even CDC director Rochelle Walensky admits the Sotomayor is either lying or completely disconnected from reality. Either way, not a good thing in a Supreme Court justice.
22   Shaman   2022 Jan 9, 8:06pm  

Guess we find out tomorrow whether we live in a free country or nazi Germany!
Any bets?
23   mell   2022 Jan 9, 8:18pm  

Shaman says
Guess we find out tomorrow whether we live in a free country or nazi Germany!
Any bets?


50/50 but it will be close, 5-4 or 6-3
24   Ceffer   2022 Jan 9, 9:41pm  

Patrick says
Even CDC director Rochelle Walensky admits the Sotomayor is either lying or completely disconnected from reality. Either way, not a good thing in a Supreme Court justice.


Unfortunately, it could also be a symptom of direct threat to the justices and their families, the usual thug state solution to legal problems.

Suddenly, fiction, no matter how absurd or unfounded, becomes facts to establish legal finding.

Yes, the Nazis were notorious for entirely rigged show trials for 'enemies' who didn't see things their way. The judges presented no obstacles to their demands and requirements.
25   tanked   2022 Jan 9, 10:09pm  

Ceffer says
Patrick says
Even CDC director Rochelle Walensky admits the Sotomayor is either lying or completely disconnected from reality. Either way, not a good thing in a Supreme Court justice.


Unfortunately, it could also be a symptom of direct threat to the justices and their families, the usual thug state solution to legal problems.

Suddenly, fiction, no matter how absurd or unfounded, becomes facts to establish legal finding.

Yes, the Nazis were notorious for entirely rigged show trials for 'enemies' who didn't see things their way. The judges presented no obstacles to their demands and requirements.


so devil's advocate for a second

kagan and sotomoyer are spouting incorrect myths about covid that are easily proven wrong in the deliberations

but

is it possible that they go into the case with whatever they think they know

and its the whole point of the Q and A session

so they can then look at actual facts vs what they thought they knew

now that they are actually assigned to it officially

maybe i have too much faith or something or being foolishly optimistic but that is how the process is supposed to work as I understand it, they can't be expected to already know everything on every topic before discussing it and studying it

My actual prediction is 5-4 in favor of ending the mandate fwiw
26   Ceffer   2022 Jan 9, 10:38pm  

Fact finding isn't really supposed to be the province of appeals courts or SCOTUS. The fact issues are resolved by the time they get to the law courts. If they aren't, they are I gather the cases are returned to the lower courts until the 'facts' are resolved.

That Sotomayor or whoever is quoting entirely false information as if it is fact is not a good thing. SCOTUS might go against the mandates on the basis of some legal point, they of course have a million ways of twisting things with arcana, but it is really distressing to hear fake news, and quite a bit of fake news, actually coming out of the mouth of SCOTUS justices as if it is fact.
28   tanked   2022 Jan 10, 11:11am  

Ceffer says
Fact finding isn't really supposed to be the province of appeals courts or SCOTUS. The fact issues are resolved by the time they get to the law courts. If they aren't, they are I gather the cases are returned to the lower courts until the 'facts' are resolved.

That Sotomayor or whoever is quoting entirely false information as if it is fact is not a good thing. SCOTUS might go against the mandates on the basis of some legal point, they of course have a million ways of twisting things with arcana, but it is really distressing to hear fake news, and quite a bit of fake news, actually coming out of the mouth of SCOTUS justices as if it is fact.


I would say normally fact issues are resolved already but these are flat out wrong.

So in other words, facts are settled as in, facts vs legal opinion paradigm already.

But this is the Fact vs Myth paradigm.

I dont really know of an actual process where that is ever settled - a Q and A session like we have seen is as likely as any. Where now Thomas etc can send emails to them saying "you stated this, it is wrong, here are 100 sources". Until the session how was he to know exactly what they thought they already knew and therefore what to correct them on.
29   Patrick   2022 Jan 10, 11:11am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/9-key-moments-in-todays-scotus-vaccine-mandate-hearing?source=patrick.net


The United States Supreme Court began hearing oral arguments today to determine if vaccine mandates can be put in place to save billions of lives, or if we're going to be selfish and personally kill every person in America. Justices appear divided on the matter so this is a case we'll be following closely.

Here are nine key moments from today's hearing:

1) First 2 hours of the hearing were spent explaining to a confused Justice Breyer what a "Constitution" is: They later agreed to revisit the subject tomorrow.

2) Justice Sotomayor's head kept slamming into her keyboard due to the weight of her helmet: We're just glad she was wearing one.

3) Justice Barrett stopped her knitting to ask a pointed question about separation of powers: This was right after she paused cooking dinner to ask about precedent.

4) When Sotomayor asserted that 400 billion have died of COVID in the last 7 minutes: She must be watching a lot of CNN.

5) That time Clarence Thomas asked if you can treat COVID with weed: The questions got deeper and more philosophical after Justice Thomas passed around some delicious brownies. "Like what even is a vaccine, man? It's just we don't even know if they're like just illusions and this is all some video game, brah."

6) The state's lawyer was instructed to stop violating Nintendo's copyrighted material by quoting Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Nintendo's lawyers will be releasing a redacted transcript of the arguments tomorrow.

7) Justice Thomas was asked to stop making the Law & Order "dun dun" sound after every sentence: He later held himself in contempt for being unable to control himself. Dun dun.

8) Proceedings paused while Chief Justice Roberts checked Twitter to see how he should rule: He's leaning toward a somewhat non-commital ruling that places him squarely on the fence.

9) Justice Alito kept having to remind everyone he exists and his feelings are important too: Justice Kagan also said some stuff, but no one listens to her. Merrick Garland didn't ask any questions, as he is not a Justice.
31   tanked   2022 Jan 10, 11:18am  

Patrick says
https://babylonbee.com/news/9-key-moments-in-todays-scotus-vaccine-mandate-hearing?source=patrick.net


The United States Supreme Court began hearing oral arguments today to determine if vaccine mandates can be put in place to save billions of lives, or if we're going to be selfish and personally kill every person in America. Justices appear divided on the matter so this is a case we'll be following closely.

Here are nine key moments from today's hearing:

1) First 2 hours of the hearing were spent explaining to a confused Justice Breyer what a "Constitution" is: They later agreed to revisit the subject tomorrow.

2) Justice Sotomayor's head kept slamming into her keyboard due to the weight of her helmet: We're just glad she was wearing one.

3) Justice Barrett stopped her knitting to ask a poin...


sigh. Mike Judge was right.
32   Ceffer   2022 Jan 10, 12:22pm  

I hear Rachel Maddow has been sworn in as an official SCOTUS lesbian justice to vote in place of Sotomayor, who has been sent back to the fourth grade to learn what a fact is and how to lie about it.
33   tanked   2022 Jan 12, 11:49am  

Ceffer says
I hear Rachel Maddow has been sworn in as an official SCOTUS lesbian justice to vote in place of Sotomayor, who has been sent back to the fourth grade to learn what a fact is and how to lie about it.


https://realrawnews.com/2022/01/scj-sotomayor-unvaccinated/?source=patrick.net
34   Ceffer   2022 Jan 12, 12:12pm  

Sotomayor has unsuccessfully importuned Cheech and Chong to clerk for her.

"Sonia, you ignorant slut. We gave you a nice corner office where you could do your nails and talk on the phone all day, surrounded by your embossed, printing press token diversity diplomas. You were supposed to be there for show, and yet you just HAD to keep opening up your yap."
35   tanked   2022 Jan 12, 12:40pm  

Ceffer says
Sotomayor has unsuccessfully importuned Cheech and Chong to clerk for her.

"Sonia, you ignorant slut. We gave you a nice corner office where you could do your nails and talk on the phone all day, surrounded by your embossed, printing press token diversity diplomas. You were supposed to be there for show, and yet you just HAD to keep opening up your yap."


Sen. Cory Booker - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Sen. Elizabeth Warren - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Gov. Larry Hogan - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

106 NFL players (Since Christmas) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Jim Cramer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Jason Crow - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Dr. Mary Bassett (fmr. Health commissioner NYC) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Unnamed WH staffer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Steven A. Smith (ESPN) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Bill O' Brian (Offensive coordinator - Alabama) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Nick Sirianni (Head coach - Phil. Eagles) fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Robert Saleh (Head coach - NY Jets) fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Ayanna Pressley - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Barbara Lee - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Antonio Delgado - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. James E. Clyburn - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Jan Schakowsky - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Sen. Chris Coons - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Kaiali’i Kahele - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Bobby L. Rush - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

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36   RWSGFY   2022 Jan 12, 12:43pm  

tanked says
Ceffer says
Sotomayor has unsuccessfully importuned Cheech and Chong to clerk for her.

"Sonia, you ignorant slut. We gave you a nice corner office where you could do your nails and talk on the phone all day, surrounded by your embossed, printing press token diversity diplomas. You were supposed to be there for show, and yet you just HAD to keep opening up your yap."


Sen. Cory Booker - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Sen. Elizabeth Warren - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Gov. Larry Hogan - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

106 NFL players (Since Christmas) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Jim Cramer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Jason Crow - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Dr. Mary Bassett (fmr. Health commissioner NYC) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Unnamed WH staffer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Steven A. Smith (ESPN) - fully vaxxed, CO...


Stop spreading the fucking coof you fucking vaxxed cunts you!
37   WineHorror1   2022 Jan 12, 1:00pm  

tanked says
Ceffer says
Sotomayor has unsuccessfully importuned Cheech and Chong to clerk for her.

"Sonia, you ignorant slut. We gave you a nice corner office where you could do your nails and talk on the phone all day, surrounded by your embossed, printing press token diversity diplomas. You were supposed to be there for show, and yet you just HAD to keep opening up your yap."


Sen. Cory Booker - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Sen. Elizabeth Warren - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Gov. Larry Hogan - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

106 NFL players (Since Christmas) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Jim Cramer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Rep. Jason Crow - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Dr. Mary Bassett (fmr. Health commissioner NYC) - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Unnamed WH staffer - fully vaxxed, COVID positive

Steven A. Smith (ESPN) - fully vaxxed, CO...

Is this true? Don't spread lies. Do you have some kind of link to this information?
39   Eric Holder   2022 Jan 12, 1:48pm  

WineHorror1 says
Is this true? Don't spread lies. Do you have some kind of link to this information?


Google them one by one.

PS. Jimmy Cramer did admit having a coof after being "fully vaxxed" - I saw it on Yahoo!Finance.
40   tanked   2022 Jan 12, 1:51pm  

Eric Holder says
WineHorror1 says
Is this true? Don't spread lies. Do you have some kind of link to this information?


Google them one by one.

PS. Jimmy Cramer did admit having a coof after being "fully vaxxed" - I saw it on Yahoo!Finance.


I asked the telegram poster and got this response

"I gathered the information from many news articles and Twitter. Most of the folks that got the vax are pretty forthcoming when they test positive to let you know that they are vaxxed and boosted LOL."

So yeah, don't be lazy. Look it up yourself.

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