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Why fancy beards have little-to-nothing to do with Islam-A-Badists & how the Sikhs have paid the price

By Rin follow Rin   2021 Mar 21, 12:52pm 164 views   9 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


As a response to the following ...

https://patrick.net/post/1338480?offset=0#comment-1740972

Shaman says
As for Sikhs... look your defining religion is cool and your beliefs are righteous. Your only problem is the turban and long beard that’s also an ethnic costume is too similar to the Mohammedans, who are neither chill nor righteous. You experience racism or hate as an accident, based on optical similarity to a very different culture that’s caused a lot of trouble and has little to recommend it or offer the world. This doesn’t make any of that hate right or justifiable. It’s just an explanation, and perhaps a suggestion. A slight tweak on the ethnic costume would eliminate nearly all such negative events and more properly distinguish your superior culture from one that is nasty and decidedly inferior.


election2020 says
Hater can always find something new to hate.The problem is not in Sikh appearance but hate in the heart of hater.


Ok, I've decided to create my own thread, tying my thesis on ancient/pre-Islamic Persia to that of the Sikhs but in today's world.

First of all, the ppl of Saudi Arabia, a.k.a vanilla Arabia prior to the Rashidun Caliphate, was a desert community of barbaric tribes, fighting beyond the border regions of numerous ancient civilizations prior to 620 AD. These were not important civilizations from the perspective of ancient times, just like Penguins of Antarctica were not significant migratory birds of any time in history.

Up north, the first Mesopotamian empire to arise from the city-states along the two rivers beds of the Euphrates and the Tigris, was the first Akkadian Empire of Sargon the Great, circa ~2300 BC. From this, we see the fancy, braided bread, as Sargon presented himself as the Supreme Ruler with a stylized beard.



Millennias later, after the demise of the various Mesopotamian empires to succeed Sargon ... around ~550 BC, Cyrus of Persia, along with the Medes, took Mesopotamia & its capital region of Babylon from the last Neo-Babylon Emperor, Nabonidus. And like its Babylonian predecessors, the stylized beard retained its archetype of power and nobility throughout old Persia, forming a link between what was very, very ancient and what one may be construed as the medieval age.



Mohammed's successors, the Caliphates Abu Bakr & Umar conquered old Persia and took on a lot of those symbols of Babylonian power fulfilling the old adage, "He who controls Bablyon, controls the world"

So thus, you see the stylized bread appearing with Islamic Caliphates, Clerics, and Imams who want to exert their power.

But power is a two edged sword, there's the power to do good and then, to do bad. The Sikhs, in my theory, have taken the philosophy of ancient Persian Buddhism and brought it through the middle ages and into the modern world keeping the sense of personal power but using that power to do good than in promoting clerics and Islam-A-Badism.
1   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 21, 12:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Working for a hedge fund seems to leave a lot of leisure time available to dabble in history!
2   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 21, 12:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Working for a hedge fund seems to leave a lot of leisure time available to dabble in history!


I'm furloughed.
3   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 21, 1:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Concerning beards, just because one doesn't shave, doesn't make his beard a symbol of Akkadian-Babylonian-Persian power.

Grizzly Adams, for the most part, is a guy who simply doesn't shave or can't find an effective razor. His beard exerts no power because it's obvious that if that bear wasn't his friend, he'd be dead by now.

4   farmer2021   ignore (10)   2021 Mar 21, 3:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Many Sikh traditionalists believe that if You remain what "nature" has made you, You are Sikh.
All other religions came out of "Sikh" by tampering with body.. specific examples are given:
Muslims by Circumcision
&
Hindooo by shaving head.

It is crazy theory, But I just though sharing as interesting.

PS: I am not sure what these traditionalist say about "cutting nails". By the way this theory is to compete with Hindoo telling "Sikhs came out of Hindooo". It does make a great arguing point especially considering all the traditional Bharti saints had beard and long hair and meat eaters.(Used to go for hunting).
5   farmer2021   ignore (10)   2021 Mar 21, 3:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/september-web-only/beards.html
The Beard-Battle that Almost Split Christendom
A fond look back at the time when growing facial hair was an excommunication-worthy offense.

Orthodox jews!
6   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 21, 3:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

election2020 says
to compete with Hindoo telling "Sikhs came out of Hindooo"


I think the difference here is ethnicity vs philosophy.

So while the Medes & Persians of Cyrus aren't direct descendants of Zoroaster's family's clan, they carry forward his philosophy w/o needing to be direct blood relatives.

And likewise, while Silkhism may be a spiritual/philosophical lineage of olde Persian Buddhism, it doesn't mean its core membership isn't composed from mainly Bhartis and not Persians fleeing from some Butcher of Bukhara.
7   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Mar 21, 3:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rin says
mell says
Working for a hedge fund seems to leave a lot of leisure time available to dabble in history!


I'm furloughed.


I didn't see that coming. Aren't hedge funds immune against every recession due to bailout connections? Or did they short GME. They better one-up their livery service upon reinstantiaton!
8   Rin   ignore (8)   2021 Mar 21, 3:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says

I didn't see that coming. Aren't hedge funds immune against every recession due to bailout connections? Or did they short GME. They better one-up their livery service upon reinstantiaton!


I'm on the 'promotional side', in other words, I don't execute trades nor support the back office. Those ppl are fully employed as that's the core of the business.

My consulting gig is to attend conferences and get stupid ppl who're into donating for causes, etc, excited about our firm. Since most national conferences are closed for business, I haven't had any billable hours since last March but since 90% of my equity is cashed out, I'm living on my dividend checks which isn't a problem for me.

When conferences are back and the world gets out of its collective coma, I'll be back on the road, bonking hoes north of the border and other international locales.

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