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Do you have the right to earn a living, or can the governor of your state bankrupt you at any time?

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 Dec 25, 5:09pm 496 views   24 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9086177/Oregon-salon-owner-sues-Governor-Kate-Brown-100K-14-000-fine-reopening-business.html

An Oregon salon owner has sued Governor Kate Brown for $100,000 over the state's lockdown and for fining her $14,000 for defying the rules and reopening her business in the middle of the pandemic.

Lindsey Graham, owner of Glamour Salon in Salem, filed a lawsuit in Marion County court December 18 against the Democratic governor claiming that forcing small businesses to shut at the height of the global health crisis did more harm than good.

Graham was forced to close her salon on March 23, when Brown plunged the state into a stay-at-home order that shuttered non-essential businesses to slow the spread of the virus.

Six weeks later in May, Graham reopened her business in defiance of the order saying she needed to get back to work to pay her bills and feed her family.

She was slapped with a $14,000 fine and was ordered to close it. ...

'Lindsey Graham, and others like her, have a fundamental right to earn a living. They have a right to take care of and provide for themselves and their families,' the suit reads.

In the suit, the salon owner claims she lost business, revenue from her clients, and that her reputation and goodwill was damaged.

The suit also says Graham was made an example of by the state when she was hit with the hefty fine.


We need need to get the police and military on our side to capture and imprison the tyrants who are murdering America in the false name of "public health", starting with all governors who ordered lockdowns.

Does the US Declaration of Independence (corrected) give us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" or not? Does the governor of any state have the right to negate our freedom?
1   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 25, 6:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Nobody has a right to earn a living. Not since the Lockner Era of SCOTUS was ended and the bullshit of the New Deal era replaced it. Bullshit that exists today.

Patrick says
Does the US Constitution give us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" or not?


Ahhh..see your confusion now.

No. It does not. Declaration of Independence does. And no, that is not part of the Constitution anymore than the Articles of Confederation (our first constitution )was.
2   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Dec 25, 6:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Patrick says
Does the US Constitution give us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" or not?


Ahhh..see your confusion now.

No. It does not. Declaration of Independence does. And no, that is not part of the Constitution anymore than the Articles of Confederation (our first constitution) does.


And don't forget, seeing hoes in Britain is legal, so what was that 'Declaration of Independence' all about?

I mean the tax on the American colonies was some 3-4% back then.

Heck, in Massachusetts today, even cap gains/qualified dividends are treated as ordinary income (5+%, which is higher than what Sam Adams & his tea party rioters paid) which is why many of us have trusts in other states and only withdraw when we need to pay some bills so in effect, we only mark local income when those ATT divs are used to pay bills.
3   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 25, 8:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I have achieved reasonable financial independence for California, but if I still had my business from prior years, I would have been squarely and completely fucked by this Covid stuff. I could have avoided bankruptcy, but it would have been a serious setback of years of gains.

I still don't understand how some of these huge numbers of business owners haven't started sniping the California capitol. Maybe they are still under the illusion that their vote counts.
4   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Dec 25, 8:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rin says
I mean the tax on the American colonies was some 3-4% back then.


The revolutionary war had more to do with the banking system being imposed on the colonies than anything else. We have actually had 4 central banks. We have overthrown them two times, the first first central bank, was the Bank of England - we went to war to get rid of that.

You will see, the covid lockdown is NEVER going to end and I wouldn't recommend anybody take the vaccine.

And by the way, was is it called "covid" not and not coronavirus? People's lack of paranoia and belief in propaganda is going to bite them in the ass soon.

Isn't it interesting China is not shutdown over the "pandemic" but all Western nations seem to be?
5   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 25, 8:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The lockdowns are not about the virus. The lockdowns are about control. Big business discovered a way to destroy their competitors once and for all, as a bonus they give added incentive for their current employees to continue slaving away to make the corporations even more money. If America allows big business to control media, information and speech (is that not what is happening?) then Americans are slaves to their corporate overlords.

Unless people stand up like Patrick Henry, the lockdowns will never end.

The vaccine is yet another gift to big pharma and won’t save any lives nor end the lockdowns either.
6   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 25, 8:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
The lockdowns are not about the virus. The lockdowns are about control. Big business discovered a way to destroy their competitors once and for all, as a bonus they give added incentive for their current employees to continue slaving away to make the corporations even more money. If America allows big business to control media, information and speech (is that not what is happening?) then Americans are slaves to their corporate overlords.

Unless people stand up like Patrick Henry, the lockdowns will never end.

The vaccine is yet another gift to big pharma and won’t save any lives nor end the lockdowns either.

Ain't no lie, Jack.
7   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 25, 10:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I have admit I am surprised by the passivity with which the population has allowed government to ruin their lives, businesses, and futures with this criminal fakery. i would have thought they would have been up in arms a while ago, literally.
8   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2020 Dec 26, 5:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
i would have thought they would have been up in arms a while ago, literally.

IL is supposed to be shut down in most places. Vast majority of businesses have just stopped listening. I think most have consulted attorneys at this point. Unless the legislature passes a bill and the governor then signs it into law, all these EO's are copy paper that got some ink toner on them.

No one will go to jail over this shit, but there are going to be tons of class action lawsuits against many government bodies and agencies. Then they'll beg the federal gov for a bailout and Joe will give to them.

We're not even close to seeing the biggest bailout from this yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see a $3-4T bailout for municipalities and cities in the first 6 months of a Biden presidency. Quick back of napkin math, but Chicago alone has easily lost $1B in tax revenue at a time when the economy was booming so they budgeted for more. And most of that money would have been used to fund fucked up pensions that were upside down in a great economy anyway.

Don't think we'll fail as a country as we're too resource and infrastructure rich compared to most of the world. But without a bailout there are going to be cities that can't keep the lights on, water flowing, sewers working, roads working, etc. And that's when all hell can break loose. One simple service breaks down and that's when even rational people will break down.
9   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 26, 6:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
No one will go to jail over this shit,


Trues, no jail, but lots of fines. And small businesses cannot afford the fines or the costs of fighting them in court. Hopefully, as you said, the vast majority of businesses are going to open anyway, so the threat of class action will keep the government in check. The mass revolt of the businesses alone would seem to scare politicians, but these politicians seem to not fear being voted out.
10   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 26, 8:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
And small businesses cannot afford the fines or the costs of fighting them in court.


You’re a fool if you pay any such fines. Worst thing they can do is shut down your business. But they’re trying that already without success. So really what power does the state have?
11   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 26, 8:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
I have admit I am surprised by the passivity with which the population has allowed government to ruin their lives
Maybe we'll see more Nashvilles?
12   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Dec 26, 11:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
HeadSet says
And small businesses cannot afford the fines or the costs of fighting them in court.


You’re a fool if you pay any such fines. Worst thing they can do is shut down your business. But they’re trying that already without success. So really what power does the state have?


Good point, and I doubt many businesses will pay these fines up front. But later on, once the dust clears after businesses are finally allowed to re-open, these fines will still be on the books and pursued with liens against business assets and even personal assets of partnerships and sole proprietors.
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 26, 4:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

From a mostly-reader:

I told many early on in this covid deal that these lockdowns were illegal and unconstitutional under the standard "strict scrutiny test" for constitutionally-challenged ordnances, but I was told I was a fool. Seems many are coming to agree with my view now

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY (subject to other readers correction), under SST (above) the court has to balance the degree of intrusiveness and severity of the restrictions against the gravity of the peril. In the case of covid, if we could get proper science put before the court, instead of a bunch of these ideas that may have some limited merit (masks) or 6 ft social distancing (very little merit), and point out that the majority of the infections are transmitted in domestic and certain workplace situations usually involving groups from lower socio-economic circumstances (and NOT ordinary day-to-day retail shops or restaurants), the degree of intrusiveness and the severity of the deprivations imposed by the lockdowns far exceed the gravity of the peril. I mean, this is not Ebola or the Black Death, where such lockdowns would probably be constitutional, but only through a legislative process reciting the need for the restriction, and the usual law-making process, instead of edicts by some governor who can be convinced of just about anything under the right circumstances.

As to the police and military, I am unaware of any substantial western revolution since the time of the French that has succeeded without significant numbers of the military and police coming over the revolutionaries' side.
14   Booger   ignore (6)   2020 Dec 26, 7:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
these politicians seem to not fear being voted out.


No need to worry about that, since you don't need voters to get elected, as per Biden.
16   komputodo   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 31, 7:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Do you have the right to earn a living, or can the governor of your state bankrupt you at any time?

No and yes.....Did you think that you had the right? YES......did you think that the state could bankrupt you at will? NO.......reality in 2020 is a bitch.
17   komputodo   ignore (3)   2020 Dec 31, 7:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says

Quite a list for a country that cant even hold an honest election
18   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 31, 2:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Its absolutely insane that the gov can step in and choose what businesses close and what businesses stay open. What country and what times are we living in anyway?
19   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2020 Dec 31, 3:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BayArea says
Its absolutely insane that the gov can step in and choose what businesses close and what businesses stay open. What country and what times are we living in anyway?


They can’t and they should be admonished by hordes of armed patriots. These fuckers think they are our masters and King’s...
20   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Dec 31, 5:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

komputodo says
Quite a list for a country that cant even hold an honest election



It's really hopeless because it demands that Congress limit the terms of their own members.

Who exactly would get to vote on that? Only members of Congress!
23   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 1, 3:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A friend of mine once said...you only own what you can and/or are willing to defend. Freedom must be defended because there is always a bully out there somewhere and if you don't see any, it's just because they don't see the opportunity at the moment. The bully mentality is always there if only under the surface. I can see it in my own daughter because she thinks the government should force everyone to wear a mask.
24   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 1, 3:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
A friend of mine once said...you only own what you can and are willing to defend. Freedom must be defended because there is always a bully out there somewhere and if you don't see any, it's just because they don't see the opportunity at the moment. The bully mentality is always there if only under the surface. I can see it in my own daughter because she thinks the government should force everyone to wear a mask.

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