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Intel is getting killed...

By Heraclitusstudent follow Heraclitusstudent   2020 Jan 16, 11:39am 410 views   14 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Taken over by Taiwan's TSMC.

- Apple’s 5nm A14 SoC Could Put 15-inch MacBook Pro’s 6-Core CPU to Shame, Suggests Latest Info
https://wccftech.com/apple-5nm-a14-soc-as-powerful-15-inch-macbook-intel-cpu/

- AMD Zen 3 ‘4000 Series’ Processors And 600 Series Chipset Landing In Late 2020, Getting USB 4.0
https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-4000-series-processors-and-600-series-chipset-landing-in-late-2020-getting-usb-4-0/

Intel still doesn't have a desktop chip on 10nm and may not have one until 2022.

1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 16, 12:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Intel needs to push the Desk Top back into supremacy, it's not like there wouldn't be tons and tons, and tons of marketing material extolling the virtues of having a full featured Desktop with Full Featured apps, where you go back to storing and saving your own data, and protecting it with your own firewalls.
That got too successful that's why they pushed the phones on us where w have no control over the OS and minimal control over the files on those devices.

I would team up with IBM and bring back solid well built machines, and even have IBM control the hardware and peripherals that are compatible.
I think not having a wild wild west of cheap crap machines, and shitty peripherals with shoddy drivers that was often incompatible with the hardware. They could control and make it a tighter integration that can't be ridiculed and shortchanged like the Windows and PC architecture of the 90's and early 2000's.

I want to get excited about the PC again, that's been missing in Computing since iPhone 8 and Samsung S6. There really hasn't been anything exciting in computing, in any form factor. I miss having a tower that can last the ages, and be used throughout many upgrades. I miss new peripherals, and cards that can expand the computer. For 15 years now, we get what they give us in a closed single device that can't be upgraded. It has sucked a large percentage of the fun and enthusiasm out of Computing.
And I don't care if the processor is a the size of a match head or as big as a water bottle. Truth be told I would rather a bigger processor they will last longer and can be kept cooler.
2   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 16, 12:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

INTC stock price seems unaffected by this....
3   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 16, 12:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
control the hardware and peripherals that are compatible. I think not having a wild wild west of cheap crap machines, and shitty peripherals with shoddy drivers that was often incompatible with the hardware. They could control and make it a tighter integration that can't be ridiculed and shortchanged like the Windows and PC architecture of the 90's and early 2000's.
I think you just described the Macintosh.
4   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 16, 12:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
I miss having a tower that can last the ages, and be used throughout many upgrades. I miss new peripherals, and cards that can expand the computer.
I prefer a desktop computer, too — fastest hardware, biggest monitor, decent "mechanical" keyboard and mouse. The only catch is that my custom-built tower won't fit in my pocket, so I can't use it everywhere. Last year I shoved in a new video card and am now driving a 4k TV with it. I built the machine in 2012 and it's still going just fine! Its first OS was macOS 10.8; now I'm using 10.14.6. ( https://tonymacx86.com )
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 16, 2:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
I think you just described the Macintosh.


Windows was actually a better OS for the local user, when it was required to have
on the box, if you were going to market it as Software designed for Windows.
There were contextual features that were required. Everything had a settings, properties and most commonly needed menu items in the exact same place.
And you didn't have to think about finding properties or settings for anything, as it was exactly where you expect it to be. Then that Commie Indian at Microsoft pushed his gay ass Office Ribbon crap and it became a free for all as Software became less intuitive and featureless.

Have IBM license out their compatibility, they have to pass a test and will run. I would also start with replacing Windows btw, and Linux had their shot. All they did was play grab ass and dress up, and skin the damn thing to death until the point. It's still useless as hell and can't do as much as the Google OS far as User experience.

Maybe Windows but I would demand they return to their XP style of Windows, it was the most practical for a Desktop.
6   The_Weeping_Ayatollah   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 16, 2:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No surprise. I heard from people who used to work there that it was a shitty workplace both from the culture and compensation POVs. When this happens the product goes to the shitter.
7   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 16, 11:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

10nm has been a disaster for Intel.

They’ve been ramping for 5yrs but can’t achieve any acceptable level of yield.
8   rocketjoe79   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 17, 7:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I build my PC's (so much cheaper) and was an AMD Fanboy for decades. But my last build about three years ago was with an Intel mobo/cpu. They had the edge. The build was very easy with free Windows 10 off the web. It looks like AMD has turned the tables again.

The crazy part is high-end graphics card prices. I love playing games, but it's hard to justify graphics card upgrades when they are kept artificially high by Bitcoin/ecoin mining.
9   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 17, 8:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
10nm has been a disaster for Intel.

They’ve been ramping for 5yrs but can’t achieve any acceptable level of yield.


That's on purpose. I'm sure the companies they are contracting to make their chips, keep screwing up their progress while making sure their competitors chips ship on time.
I've been watching some old series on YouTube from the late 90's that talked about the Japanese Tech rise. And the games the manufacturers would play with their clients, and help one win over the other.
10   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 17, 11:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
The crazy part is high-end graphics card prices. I love playing games, but it's hard to justify graphics card upgrades when they are kept artificially high by Bitcoin/ecoin mining.

Was trying to figure out that quandary when building a gaming system for my son. What's not to like about a $99 APU with integrated Radeon Vega graphics? Not high end, for sure, but hard to beat that price point.
11   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 18, 1:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
BayArea says
10nm has been a disaster for Intel.

They’ve been ramping for 5yrs but can’t achieve any acceptable level of yield.


That's on purpose. I'm sure the companies they are contracting to make their chips, keep screwing up their progress while making sure their competitors chips ship on time.
I've been watching some old series on YouTube from the late 90's that talked about the Japanese Tech rise. And the games the manufacturers would play with their clients, and help one win over the other.


Intel makes their own chips
12   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 18, 1:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Intel makes their own chips


They design them, we leave all of the dirty pollution that goes with making Chips up to Chinese, Indian and Malaysian companies.
13   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 18, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
we leave all of the dirty pollution that goes with making Chips up to Chinese, Indian and Malaysian


Lots of Intel fabrication in US, Ireland, Israel, etc.

BayArea says
10nm has been a disaster for Intel.

They’ve been ramping for 5yrs but can’t achieve any acceptable level of yield.


Moore's Law: Please read his 1965 article in Electronics, where he introduced his concept to the world. The only figure of merit in his article, is the cost per component: "....The complexity for minimum component costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year...."....

It was an observation made in 1965 that has become dogma / religion / Cool-Aid in decades that followed. And it has also become a Race To The Bottom. If you win, what do you win?, - the privilege to dominate a market of ever-decreasing margins.
14   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 21, 10:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What I read is "a critical technology on which we rely for much of what we do is lost by the US and moving toward China's sphere of influence".

Of course the markets celebrate... Who wants to dominate for such "low margin" crap.

Intel Upgraded by Jefferies Amid Prospects of Going ‘Fabless’
https://wccftech.com/intel-upgraded-by-jefferies-amid-changes-in-its-management-team-and-the-prospects-of-a-restructuring-that-includes-the-possibility-of-going-fabless/
15   Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 26, 7:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If Intel and IBM lose business, and risk insolvency -and the US Manufacturing goes below 6%, what will our economy consist of?
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Trump is right-we need research and manufacturing on our shores - and mandatory percentages of students in STEM.

This just to have the USA stay in business long term.

I had a dream - and I looked over- and Ive seen the promise land...... But in the 1970s with 20% manufacturing there might have been a nearby promise land. With Manufacturing going to 6-7%, and government employment approaching 20%, we should be flipping these percentages.

Fake economy?

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