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Canadian Court Allows Jihadist Who Stabbed 3 Soldiers for Allah to Go to College

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 Jan 11, 2:19pm 591 views   17 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://nationalfile.com/canada-court-allows-jihadist-who-stabbed-3-soldiers-to-go-to-college/

A top Ontario court upheld its decision to allow Ayanle Hassan Ali–who attacked several soldiers with a large knife in 2016–to attend Mohawk College in Hamilton, Ontario.

Ali was not held criminal responsible for the attack, which saw three uniformed personnel wounded, as he was deemed not to be in a fit state of mind, when he explained that Allah told him to carry out the attack.

Ali was originally charged with attempted murder, assault causing bodily harm and assault with a weapon, as well as carrying a weapon, for the benefit of a terrorist organization. ...

However, according to the Toronto Sun, the board found that Ali, who suffers from schizophrenia, “still poses a significant threat to the safety of the public” and “holds some of the same delusions, that he experienced at the time of the (attack).”


I would immediately remove any kids I had in any college that guy attends. He should be in jail, or deported, not free to spread the mental illness of Islam to others, or free to murder random innocent people as Islam demands.

1   NancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2020 Jan 11, 2:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

suicide by diversity
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jan 11, 2:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Not just suicide.

Liberals who spread Islam by importing it are putting everyone in severe danger, not just themselves.
3   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 2:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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Yes this is extremely bizarre. Seems like there are some missing details explaining how this can possibly happen. Not that I think it could make sense, but as told ? There must be more to it. Perhaps he's connected or something.
4   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 2:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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What does this mean ?


“The limited extension of indirectly supervised access only to the local college shows that the board was extending only a very limited privilege, both geographically and in terms of time away, that reflected its concern for public safety but balanced with the need to facilitate Mr. Ali’s reintegration into society.”


Is he in prison and allowed to take online classes ?

I just can not tell what it means.

Oh, okay, I see. It makes way more sense than the way you made it sound.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-ncr-military-stabber-approved-to-visit-toronto-on-two-day-passes


Suffering from schizophrenia, Ali has lived in the secure forensic unit at St. Joseph’s Healthcare in Hamilton since his arrest in 2016 where he has annual hearings before the Ontario Review Board to monitor his progress and ensure he’s under the least onerous conditions.

In a controversial disposition at his first hearing last year, the ORB stunned many by allowing Ali to attend Mohawk College across the street from his Hamilton psychiatric hospital — a privilege challenged by the Crown but upheld by Ontario’s top court.

At his recent hearing, his psychiatrist complained that plan was scuttled after media coverage led to protests from some of the college’s faculty, students and their parents.

Now he’s being allowed to find another educational institution in the Hamilton area.

At his latest ORB hearing held last month, all agreed the mentally ill man continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community.

Yet the board has agreed to a multitude of possible new privileges for Ali in the upcoming year.

While not guaranteed — the hospital must sign off when they feel he’s ready — Ali may be allowed to walk about Hamilton unsupervised as well as get “passes for up to 48 hours to enter the community of Southern Ontario, accompanied by a person approved by the person in charge.”

His lawyer Maureen Addie had asked for the passes so Ali can visit his home in Toronto; his father and a sister have been approved to accompany him.

Only Crown attorney Craig Fraser had opposed the extension of Ali’s privileges in the face of continuing concerns about his mental health.

According to his psychiatrist, he’s still receiving messages from the Internet and TV telling him that he’s being watched by the military.

More troubling, Ali continues to believe Canadian soldiers are legitimate targets because they have conducted military missions in Muslim countries.

“His psychotic disorder is not completely treated,” conceded Dr. Gary Chaimowitz.

The Crown had urged the board not to allow Ali into the community unsupervised until there’s more evidence that his illness is under control.

He advocated for caution and public safety.

Obviously the board disagreed. Their reasons for doing so have yet to be released.

Yet we’re not supposed to worry.

The ORB has ordered the hospital to notify local police whenever Ali is allowed into the community.

And the mentally ill man who still believes he should martyr himself will be told that he must stay away from uniformed military personnel and any known military installations or recruitment centres.

But as we’ve seen from the recent spate of not criminally responsible patients who have gone AWOL from CAMH, those conditions are hardly any guarantee that he will abide by them.


A lot of additional information there. If I read it right, it may never happen unless the psychiatrists feel he's ready. And even then he would be accompanied by trusted people on temporary leave from the mental hospital he's at, and police would be notified. Those doctors are going to be HIGHLY motivated to not fuck up. The ruling makes it their responsibility.

The lengths they are willing to go to for this Ali guy speak to the rarity of this kind of thing in Canada. I believe this reflects very well on their system.
5   Hircus   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 11, 3:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think his mental illness is the primary cause of his violence, although I do think Islam contributed and magnified his violence.

I feel bad for Ali because he's extremely mentally ill, but I do not subscribe the typical error in judgment that the left often makes: they find a "victim", and to help alleviate that person's victimhood, they spread some of the pain/burden upon innocent others. This creates many victims, but of lesser degree, which they feel is preferable. I generally disagree with this strategy because it deemphasizes personal/familial/communal responsibility, which is critical to a genuinely functional society.

In this case, Ali probably can't help his mental illness, and his psychiatrists feel bad for him, and truly wish to help him. They know that isolating Ali will probably seal the deal and ensure his permanent psychiatric institutionalization, with little hope to ever lead a normal life. So, they want to get him out into society and try to heal him, in part by exposing him to people. But, their judgement has critically lapsed if they're willing to subject innocent people to the presence of this violent crusader, despite the fact that he still seems to admit that he wants to kill certain infidels, and recently tried to kill infidels! I understand and commend their desire to help a mentally ill person, but they seem to value his welfare much higher than the safety of other citizens, and I think that's crazy - and maybe even criminal.

I've heard of lots of Schizophrenics who're violent due to hearing voices. But, a violent Schizophrenic combined with a "religion of peace" that simultaneously encourages violence against infidels is a danger to the public of extreme degree. Especially if that person lives in a society of the exact same people that the said "religion of peace" dehumanizes.

I don't think Ali should ever be let loose inside western society again. It's akin to the stupidity of putting a shark in a public swimming pool filled with children and then saying "but the shark has a right to use the pool too!!! herp. derp. i r so progressive."
6   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 3:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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They have only decided to maybe let him out, only when doctors see the risk as low enough, and then only ony on a temporary basis and if he is accompanied by trusted people, and with the police informed.

So they haven't done anything like:

Hircus says
let loose inside western society again..................herp. derp. i r so progressive


Why not understand the details before making such assumptions ?

Hircus says
but they seem to value his welfare much higher than the safety of other citizens, and I think that's crazy - and maybe even criminal.


Note:

" all agreed the mentally ill man continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community.
7   Hircus   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 11, 4:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Why not understand the details before making such assumptions


I did?

ORB tried to let him into Mohawk college. Protesters stopped it.

AFTER they tried to set Ali loose upon the college:
- ORB admitted that Ali "continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community"
- Ali's psych details his continued delusions:

According to his psychiatrist, he’s still receiving messages from the Internet and TV telling him that he’s being watched by the military.

More troubling, Ali continues to believe Canadian soldiers are legitimate targets because they have conducted military missions in Muslim countries.


In summary, they knew Ali's still wants to kill certain infidels, but they thought it would be a good idea to let him into Mohawk college anyway, but protesters stopped it.
8   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 4:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Hircus says
ORB tried to let him into Mohawk college. Protesters stopped it.


Yes, across the street from the hospital, and you have to know he was going to be accompanied. Even the future "possible" plans call for him to be accompanied. Also, it's not clear that that was not like the new deal they have. That is, not that they actually were ready for him to go to the school, but that they were getting it approved for when they are ready, on the doctors discretion.


Hircus says
According to his psychiatrist, he’s still receiving messages from the Internet and TV telling him that he’s being watched by the military.


Actually that sounds more current. Reflecting this:

" all agreed the mentally ill man continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community.


I don't know. I don't want to call you out on your reading comprehension. But your take away is leaping to conclusions that are not implied. The following is explicitly stated (not just implied by reader imagination).


marcus says
They have only decided to maybe let him out, only when doctors see the risk as low enough, and then only ony on a temporary basis and if he is accompanied by trusted people, and with the police informed.
9   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 11, 4:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Canadians are sometimes too polite for their own good; they shouldn't allow guys like this to live among them.

Neither should we or any other civilized country.
10   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 4:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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And apparently, they pretty much aren't.
11   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 Jan 11, 4:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Maybe they should just give him coed panties to wear on his head. It's just about as useful as a college degree these days.
12   Hircus   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 11, 4:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

In a controversial disposition at his first hearing last year, the ORB stunned many by allowing Ali to attend Mohawk College...

At his recent hearing, his psychiatrist complained that plan was scuttled after media coverage led to protests from some of the college’s faculty, students and their parents.

Now he’s being allowed to find another educational institution in the Hamilton area.

At his latest ORB hearing held last month, all agreed the mentally ill man continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community.


"First hearing" is when they wanted to set Ali free upon the college.

Yes, the quote about him continuing to be a threat came later (at his "recent hearing"), but I think it's very reasonable to assume that this implies he was considered a threat in the past too. I suppose its possible that he healed and then went into remission, and so when they wanted to let him out in the first hearing, they believed he was no threat, but later changed their mind, but really I doubt that. If anything, it would reflect bad on their professional assessment of him to be letting him out while his state of mind is so volatile.

I don't care if he was supervised in school. If he still wants to kill infidels, he has no business in public, period. He can pick up a pen and kill someone in seconds while his "babysitter" prevents jack shit from going down.

It's clear that they tried to let him out, and then after public backlash, they tightened their standards and are now showing more conservatism with the conditions they will let Ali in public. Public backlash should not be required to make them exercise reasonable caution with a psychotic killer.
13   Hircus   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 11, 4:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Here's a piece of the article that's been left out until now:

While not guaranteed — the hospital must sign off when they feel he’s ready — Ali may be allowed to walk about Hamilton unsupervised as well as get “passes for up to 48 hours to enter the community of Southern Ontario, accompanied by a person approved by the person in charge.”

His lawyer Maureen Addie had asked for the passes so Ali can visit his home in Toronto; his father and a sister have been approved to accompany him.

Only Crown attorney Craig Fraser had opposed the extension of Ali’s privileges in the face of continuing concerns about his mental health.

According to his psychiatrist, he’s still receiving messages from the Internet and TV telling him that he’s being watched by the military.

More troubling, Ali continues to believe Canadian soldiers are legitimate targets because they have conducted military missions in Muslim countries.


How???? How can anyone support maybe letting Ali roam the School by himself when he's admitting that he's actively delusional and feels justified killing infidel soldiers? I understand that his mental state would need to improve before they allow that, but this article makes it very clear that the hospital and some of the board is extremely aggressive in getting him out. Someone like this should need to prove their mental stability for many years before being given another chance, if ever. I bet they would sing a different song if their children went to that college where they will let Ali enrich the other students with his violent militant religious beliefs.

Here's some more "Ali poetry" from his diary
“I have a licence to kill; I have a green light to kill,” Ali had written in his diary.

That was probably written in the past closer to when he stabbed the infidel soldiers, but his psychiatrist admits he's still delusional and still thinks soldiers are valid targets.

It's amazing that there's this parallel universe where libs think I'm the bad guy for not wanting sick people like Ali to be free in society. These libs are insane.
14   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 6:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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Hircus says
"First hearing" is when they wanted to set Ali free upon the college.


That's an inference you make. More likely it's like the second one, where they were getting the okay, but only when the doctors thought it was safe. Maybe the reason for getting an okay to put such things in the doctors hands is to give them leverage to hold that carrot for doing work in the direction of getting better.

Hircus says
It's clear that they tried to let him out, and then after public backlash


Actually not clear in the slightest. It was a school accross the street. He surely would have been accompanied. And it's probably safe to assume they were getting the okay in advance of doctors deciding it was worth the risk, just as later ruling - indicating that's how they do this type of thing. And that okay was what was protested.

Hircus says
Here's a piece of the article that's been left out until now


Actually all included my quote above.
15   marcus   ignore (11)   2020 Jan 11, 6:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Hircus says
It's amazing that there's this parallel universe where libs think I'm the bad guy for not wanting sick people like Ali to be free in society. These libs are insane.


You prove (by contradiction) the importance of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. I don't think you're the bad guy. I just think the people behind the ruling agree with you WAY WAY WAY more than you are willing or capable of admitting.

" all agreed the mentally ill man continues to pose a “significant threat” to the community."
16   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 11, 10:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Put the fucker down as a rabid dog.
17   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (55)   2020 Jan 11, 10:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This is incest-catalyzed dementia. Ship him to SA or someplace Islamish where knife attacks are how people say hello.

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