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Mueller Report vs Barr Report

By Tim Aurora follow Tim Aurora   2019 Apr 18, 2:32pm 1,916 views   69 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


So Barr Summary ( and he did redact that) was not a summary but his own views and assertions. Mueller Report , even the redacted one has many assertions that there was Russia contact and Trump obstructed


“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” the report said, noting that the “incidents” were often carried out “through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels.”

“These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony,” the report continued.

But the report said: “The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-report-reveals-clashes-in-trumps-inner-circle-over-russia-probe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-report-russia-investigation-findings/2019/04/18/b07f4310-56f9-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.0dec2d76b9af

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-russian-interference-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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32   rd6B   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 20, 9:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sounds like Dems are pretty butthurt and are trying to make lemonade out of Mueller's lemon, albeit not successfully and as a result they just keep digging and digging and losing already minuscule credibility they have.

I listened to Ben Shapiro yesterday and he was pretty accurate: we all know Trump lies, he is honest about being dishonest, but one place he did not lie or did not do anything illegal was this Russian collusion.
33   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 20, 10:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
just_dregalicious says
Bora Bora vs. Guam!


GUAM!! #patnetStongInGuam


Chamorro power!
34   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Apr 20, 11:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says



No dirt ?

More like so much dirt, that no matter what he does, everyone is like, yeah, whatever, we already knew he was amoral and corrupt.
35   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2019 Apr 20, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mueller needs some water boarding until he comes up with the 'right' report.
37   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 20, 12:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
More like so much dirt, that no matter what he does, everyone is like, yeah, whatever, we already knew he was amoral and corrupt.


“Morality” is subjective to policy wonks and the vagaries of the opposition. There’s a reason we have the Code of Hamurabi. A written set of laws gives a guide to what is and is not permissible, quite apart from what “moral people” will decide after the fact is or is not moral.

Trump did not break any laws. Therefore he is still our President.
Get used to it.
38   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Apr 20, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Trump did not break any laws. Therefore he is still our President.


I thought it was becasuewe can't indict a sitting President (referring the the obstruction charges)




I am used to the string of events, quotes, lies, and everything else that gives us the picture of who the guy is. The fact that you can't see it or just don't care ? That's your problem.

Btw, I think TRump was right when he said, "Im fucked." It's going to take time for the dust to settle, that's all.
39   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 23, 7:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I thought


That’s what you get for thinking!

You can indict a President if you impeach him first. But Congress, even a crazy Democrat controlled Congress isn’t about to impeach Trump for a “possible” crime he might have committed, which we’d need a new legal interpretation to even validate as a crime. It’s a shit show to go down that path, and it would be seen as the worst sort of purely political move, losing what little credibility the Democrats have left after hyping RUSSIAN COLLUSION for two fucking years and getting a report back that says no collusion. THAT is the real news, not some supposed obstruction into the investigation. Fact is that Trump complied and aided the investigation, and it found that the Democrats has constructed a complete lie and false pretext upon which to even open it!

Expect more on this. Heads will roll, and they’ll be Democrats this time.
40   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 Apr 23, 8:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

Btw, I think TRump was right when he said, "Im fucked." It's going to take time for the dust to settle, that's all.


Any valid theory can be falsifiable. How is your theory falsified? Under what conditions can you be proven wrong?

If you can't see how wrong you've been by now, I will assume you neither have a way to falsify your theory nor would you be willing to accept a falsifiable condition. You will continually adjust your theory so you never have to admit you were wrong about Trump. Dammit, eventually we'll get him!

Pay attention and let's see how long it'll take this blind mouse to find the cheese (many expected you'd have found it by now).
41   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 1, 6:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III wrote a letter in late March complaining to Attorney General William P. Barr that a four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work, according to a copy of the letter reviewed Tuesday by The Washington Post.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-complained-that-barrs-letter-did-not-capture-context-of-trump-probe/2019/04/30/d3c8fdb6-6b7b-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.f9c96f7989a9
42   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2019 May 1, 6:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
“did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work,

What did he miss?
44   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 May 1, 6:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Tim Aurora says
“did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work,

What did he miss?


Slow down. Answering your question would require logical thought, with neither memes nor innuendo.

not gonna happen.

Ex: hey @Marcus ... to what "evidence" are you referring?
45   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2019 May 1, 6:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ex: hey @Marcus ... to what "evidence" are you referring?


They don't have none.

Like my Black Liberal friend.

He keeps having to admit Trump is far better than any President in our lifetime or possibly if ever.
But he keeps saying now, Republicans do have the better policies than Democrats right now. It's just Trump! Couldn't ya'll have picked someone better to be President.

I keep telling him, we didn't pick him, he picked us. And NO! There isn't anyone better. Then when I press him, and ask him about what would he expect if Trump was just impeached or removed, or if the Liberals got their midterm Mulligan do over and Trump was thrown out and replaced. Who does he expect to replace him?

Liberals do not have a firm grasp of reality. If they did they would work on a message and look forward and strategize on how to win future elections.
46   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 May 1, 6:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work


How could any summary ever capture the full context and nature and substance of any 400 page report? The important thing is that Barr didn’t lie or leave out anything germane to the investigation into Russian Collusion. And he later released as much of the report as was lawful to do.
Mueller is just butthurt that he couldn’t find shit on Trump after years and millions of man hours trying.
Done.
47   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (49)   2019 May 1, 6:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump's last days in Allenwood won't be pretty.

Crazed nazi serial killers will stop by his cell and smack up hard ons and describe in loving detail how they're going to use it to rape Trump to death.

Likely, one of the inmates will not have the patience and will simply stomp him dead in his cell when one of the guards accidentally leaves the cell door open and unguarded.

The weird part will come when the kids refuse to receive the remains and tell NY state that since he was a prisoner of their prison, the expense of burial is New York's.
48   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 1, 2:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The summary was not a summary. It was Barr's report.

Quigley says
How could any summary ever capture the full context and nature and substance of any 400 page report?
49   MAGA   ignore (1)   2019 May 1, 2:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
Attempting and failing to commit a crime, is still a crime.


So when are they going to start arresting Realtor's?
50   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2019 May 1, 2:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

These threads are nauseating. So I'll ask this of everyone. Be truthful.

NOT EMOTIONAL OR "FEELING" A CERTAIN WAY

How has Trump or the elected congress he was given the first 2 years of his presidency made a negative impact on YOUR life? Give 5 examples. If life is so bad, 5 should be a breeze. Not talking about your buddy or what you heard on the news. HOW has your life change besides YOUR emotions over Trump becoming president?

About the ONLY individual decision (congress & Trump) that I could find as a negative to me was the SALT $10k cap living in IL with the new tax plan. Didn't actually get me this year, but could in future years based on state income taxes. I keep my property taxes low, so that's not much of an impact.

Ultimately, if life under this regime is so shitty for you PERSONALLY, let us know why. I've yet to see any posters here really expand on that. Just lots of America is bad bitching. MOVE! If Europe doesn't try to fuck the world up two times in 30 years, we wouldn't have needed to be the global police officer. It's literally like some of you are bitching about putting a buck in a slot machine and winning $500 and then saying the $500 took your $1. Calm the fuck down or move to Africa and understand what the real world is like for about 5 billion people.
51   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 May 1, 3:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
The summary was not a summary. It was Barr's report.


What in the Mueller Report is so damning?

If it is so damning, why didn't Mueller recommend indictment?

The Dems were depending on this Insurance Policy. That is why Yates and Craig and others are so upset. Something Indictable on Trump was supposed to nix Trump's prosecution of FISA Cheaters and Draining the Swamp of Lobbyists Generally.
52   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 May 1, 6:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I also didn’t like the SALT tax deduction claw-back. Tax time wasn’t fun this year. Asshole Paul Ryan is who I blame for that abortion of a bill.

Other than it being very “edgy” to support the President, my life has only changed for the better.
53   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 2, 6:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
What in the Mueller Report is so damning?

If it is so damning, why didn't Mueller recommend indictment?


Since , according to the justice dept rule, DOJ cannot prosecute the sitting President Mueller Report has punted the question and forwarded it to Congress.
54   Shaman   ignore (3)   2019 May 2, 7:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Actually, a majority of Americans don’t want to see Trump impeached at this time. And only a slim majority (53%) of Democrats want that. The Democrats would look like the rabid partisan hacks that they so clearly are if they try it, and Trump would have an even more clear path to a second term. Not to mention that the American public may just realize how irresponsible Democrats truly are and Pelosi will lose her speakership once again in 2020. Pelosi isn’t stupid and won’t initiate impeachment proceedings.

Your great hope for ousting Trump isn’t going to happen. In fact, you’ve got six more years of him to look forward to!

Glorious!
55   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 2, 8:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Agreed , at this point there is no reason to impeach him, not with Pence as VP and economy being what it is.

Quigley says
Actually, a majority of Americans don’t want to see Trump impeached at this time.


We will see about his reelection, maybe everybody wil tire of his antics including Republicans.

Quigley says
Your great hope for ousting Trump isn’t going to happen. In fact, you’ve got six more years of him to look forward to!
56   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 May 2, 8:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All this drama... and meanwhile realtors are committing crimes against humanity by the second.
57   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 May 2, 10:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
HonkpilledMaster says
What in the Mueller Report is so damning?

If it is so damning, why didn't Mueller recommend indictment?


Since , according to the justice dept rule, DOJ cannot prosecute the sitting President Mueller Report has punted the question and forwarded it to Congress.


There is no evidence. Each point in part 2 seemed to be added for completeness. The M report reads like "this is everything guys, and it's a giant nothingburger".

Where/when/how did Mueller say he only didnt indict because he couldnt? I havent seen that communicated, but I hear it repeated over and over
58   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 May 2, 10:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Since , according to the justice dept rule, DOJ cannot prosecute the sitting President Mueller Report has punted the question and forwarded it to Congress.


Tim, not what I asked.

Mueller didn't find any illegal acts by Trump or his inner Circle related to the Election - he referred NOTHING for indictment. Nor did he ask Congress to begin any proceedings.
59   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2019 May 2, 11:13am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Mueller did his hatchet job by holding Trump hostage to process for two years, just like the legal system always does, while a bunch of fuckhead lawyers got paid. Now, he wants to escape the flak attack and bail.

All they came up with was a bunch of allegations, maybes, what ifs, coulda shoulda wouldas, and vapor procedure. Now, it's just coprophagic LibbyFucks and Dems playing with their own shit and smearing the walls with it.
60   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 May 2, 11:17am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Mueller did his hatchet job by holding Trump hostage to process for two years, just like the legal system always does, while a bunch of fuckhead lawyers got paid. Now, he wants to escape the flak attack and bail.


The goal was to either get Trump or keep the threat of Mueller going for the whole term in order to stop Trump from going after FISA/Dem Lobbyists. They figured Mueller would find something, even some process bullshit or some grey area stuff to nail the Don or the other Trump Family/Insiders on. Then they could use the threat of impeachment to keep Trump from Draining The Swamp.

This is why they are now flailing around trying to get bank records, which Mueller has likely already seen. Gotta find something to use to get Trump to stop looking into FISA.
61   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 29, 12:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
Mueller didn't find any illegal acts by Trump or his inner Circle related to the Election - he referred NOTHING for indictment. Nor did he ask Congress to begin any proceedings.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/29/mueller-was-pointed-his-report-doesnt-say-what-trump-barr-have-claimed/?utm_term=.f4720cccb803


Mueller noted that his team indicted more than two dozen Russians in connection with their alleged roles in hacking Democratic networks and accounts and with trying to interfere in the campaign via social media. But instead of saying that there was “no collusion” by the Trump team with that effort — a term that the report itself explicitly rejected in its consideration of what happened — Mueller explained what his investigators found in more nuanced terms.

The first volume of his report, he said, “includes a discussion of the Trump campaign’s response to this activity as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.”

Insufficient evidence, of course, is not a lack of evidence. Again, this distinction exists within the report, but it’s not how Trump or Barr presented Mueller’s findings.
62   Misc   ignore (0)   2019 May 29, 12:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mueller did not recommend impeachment proceedings. That is the bottom line.
63   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 29, 12:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
What in the Mueller Report is so damning?

If it is so damning, why didn't Mueller recommend indictment?


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-russia-no-collusion-trump-barr-bret-baier

eacting on "America’s Newsroom," Baier told hosts Bill Hemmer and Sandra Smith, “I was struck by the tone and tenor of those remarks as he laid out his case wrapping up this report.


"This was not—as the president says time and time again -- 'no collusion, no obstruction.’ It was much more nuanced than that.”
64   socal2   ignore (2)   2019 May 29, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Insufficient evidence, of course, is not a lack of evidence. Again, this distinction exists within the report, but it’s not how Trump or Barr presented Mueller’s findings.


In America, where we are allowed the presumption of innocence - a prosecutor can't go out and say he thinks his subject is kind of guilty and then decline to indict for lack of evidence. All it does is smear a person and not give them an opportunity in court to clear their name.

This is Banana Republic stuff.
65   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 30, 5:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Have you read what Muellar said. He ( Justice Dept) cannot prosecute the sitting President and for that reason alone he is not charging him. No one has said that Trump is guilty but there is enough evidence to start the impeachment process against him. In fact the senate impeachment hearings are akin to a court room with CJ presiding the proceedings. We cannot let a berserk president run amok and refuse all subpoenas.

socal2 says
In America, where we are allowed the presumption of innocence - a prosecutor can't go out and say he thinks his subject is kind of guilty and then decline to indict for lack of evidence. All it does is smear a person and not give them an opportunity in court to clear their name.
66   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 30, 5:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
HonkpilledMaster says
What in the Mueller Report is so damning?

If it is so damning, why didn't Mueller recommend indictment?


Since , according to the justice dept rule, DOJ cannot prosecute the sitting President Mueller Report has punted the question and forwarded it to Congress.

How come none of the 500 people Mueller interviewed didn't get prosecuted for aiding and abetting the president in the alleged crimes for which the president can't be indicted? Manafort went to jail for unrelated things, so it's not like Mueller can't or doesn't go after people during the investigation.
67   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 30, 5:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Mueller noted that his team indicted more than two dozen Russians in connection with their alleged roles in hacking Democratic networks and accounts and with trying to interfere in the campaign via social media.

You mean these Russians?
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/indicted-russians-actually-show-up-in-court-mueller-scrambles/
From the article: "I don’t think anyone (including Mueller) anticipated that any of the defendants would appear in court to defend against the charges. Rather, the Mueller prosecutors seem to have obtained the indictment to serve a public relations purpose, laying out the case for interference as understood by the government and lending a veneer of respectability to the Mueller Switch Project."
Oops!
68   Tim Aurora   ignore (1)   2019 May 30, 7:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Actually Roger Stone is still being prosecuted for conspiring with Wikileaks.

SunnyvaleCA says
How come none of the 500 people Mueller interviewed didn't get prosecuted for aiding and abetting the president in the alleged crimes for which the president can't be indicted? Manafort went to jail for unrelated things, so it's not like Mueller can't or doesn't go after people during the investigation.
69   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 May 30, 7:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Mueller noted that his team indicted more than two dozen Russians in connection with their alleged roles in hacking Democratic networks and accounts and with trying to interfere in the campaign via social media. But instead of saying that there was “no collusion” by the Trump team with that effort — a term that the report itself explicitly rejected in its consideration of what happened — Mueller explained what his investigators found in more nuanced terms.


What's funny is that the other day Mueller said he wasn't going after anybody who couldn't be faced with justice...

And yet charged two dozen Russians highly unlikely to ever make themselves available in a US jurisdiction for arrest!

Sorry, Mueller, you don't get to be the FBI Chief.

I'm sure Hatfill is disappointed.

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