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Why can someone else censor my pat.net experience?

By CBOEtrader follow CBOEtrader   2019 Feb 21, 3:11pm 2,045 views   51 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


If someone wants to block their own experience fine, but why does an ignore block the passive users experience?

We only have a few dozen active users. It limits my enjoyment of the site to read along and see gaps where jazz or some other snowflake blocked me.

Therefore, pat I've suggested this before but can you please edit the ignore button? Noone else should effect my pat.net experience, and vice versa. Agree or no?

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13   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Feb 21, 6:57pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
You can put the troll on ignore, and be done.


At one time, you had the site roll off ignores after like 30 days. Why not bring that feature back? Let posters re-ignore after 30 days, or maybe they'll leave it be.
14   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Feb 21, 7:00pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
It limits my enjoyment of the site to read along and see gaps where jazz or some other snowflake blocked me.


If you notice, it's a the hard Lefty leaners that predominantly use the ignore function. They are the ones that lack tolerance for any other opinion but their own. It's like they want to live in their own self-enclosed echo chamber, unwilling to consider the opinion of others. Must be a sad world to live in.
15   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 21, 7:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Therefore, pat I've suggested this before but can you please edit the ignore button? Noone else should effect my pat.net experience, and vice versa. Agree or no?


@CBOEtrader So you do want to see the comment of people who have you on ignore? You could log out to do that, but I admit that is inconvenient.

It's a dilemma: you'd like it more, but the person ignoring you would like it less.

Huh, what to do? What principles am I trying to promote? That's also kind of a dilemma. I'm promoting the right to speak (except for insulting other users), but also the right not to have to hear from certain people. Maybe the right to have people not see your comments is not an important right.

And once you've ignored someone, why should you have to do it again? I can see that you might have changed your mind after 30 days, or not find them annoying anymore, and that might get more discussion between the parties going, also a goal.
16   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 21, 7:06pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@CBOEtrader So you do want to see the comment of people who have you on ignore? You could log out to do that, but I admit that is inconvenient.


Yeah, ive noticed, which is why my engagement has gone down. I often read the site w/o logging in, then the extra step of loggin in on my phone and losing my quote, etc... i just dont go through w the trouble.

If this were reddit it wouldn't matter, but how many active users do we have here? If the 10 most active Trump supporters cant see what the 10 most active TDS sufferers write, whats the point?
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 21, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All right, I agree. I'll make ignore one-way tonight.

If you ignore, you don't see the user. But the ignored user can still see the ingnorer.
18   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 21, 7:15pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

I'm a big fan of the ignore button. If a comment is trollish, zap it.

My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar. If I am missing something I want to know. If there are relevant facts to support a contradictory perspective, I want to know. I also find it interesting to see how people engage in confirmation bias, rejecting facts that disagree w their chosen narrative. Everyone does this to an extent, but i find it interesting to see why/where/when groups do this w extreme righteousness like today's left or 1980's christian fundies or 1930's weimar germany.

So yes, I am most interested in the psychology that results in contradictory opinions.

Thanks for trying the new change.
19   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 21, 7:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s confusing too. I think ignore should ignore other persons posts. Not hide me from those I ignore.

It’s opposite right now which is confusing. Would be nice if posts simply had a label of “this user is ignoring you”. Only 3 people use this feature as far as I know.
20   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 21, 7:31pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

OK, it's done.

Now you should be able to see comments by people who are ignoring you.

And another request is done. The default comment list length is now 80 instead of 40. So you won't need to click the "next >>" button as much to see more comments.
21   TrumpingTits   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 21, 8:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
You are free to block whoever you want, you are not free to control other users.


That is not how blocking works.
22   TrumpingTits   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 21, 9:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
"Trolling" as I see it is making deliberately inflammatory remarks in order to enjoy the resulting flames. It's not fun, but the right answer imho is just to ignore it. If you ignore it, they don't get their payoff and are disincentivized from doing it again. If you "feed the trolls" by responding with obvious anguish, the troll wins and is incentivized to do it again.


Ahh. I don't believe that you not understanding this. O-Cortex did a good job explaining it, too. In mixed company situations, one person's asshole is another person's saint. A third party can't apply a standard, object rule and then claim "see, I fixed it with LOGIC!"

Well, those third parties can if they have the power to do so. Emperors without clothes do that sort of thing all the time, after all. Then there were the Soviet 5 Year Plans that just WORKED SPIFFY TOO, eh!

Expect less posts/participation or at least not much of a gain in current levels. Exactly as O-Cortex said the lesson FB and Twitter learned the hard way themselves, too.

If I can't block assholes from my posts, I won't post. Or I will limit my post topics to things that I don't care to put much effort into defending/enriching or just ephemeral BS I don't even care about. Or just comment on other posts occasionally, as a comment is a lot less of an investment in time, effort and heart than a post is. Why the fuck should I bother to do more?

I think that the trolls will now hit posts a lot more now, based on this decision. You just rang the `feed the trolls doorbell`.
23   just_dregalicious   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 21, 9:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I still want to be able to block/ignore people who post dick pics. And HeyYou. I scroll past the others I don't want to read but a flash of hairy balls burns my eyes. Someone messed up the neked chicks thread too with some funky gnawed on looking nipples. I didn't block them but I sure wish they'd delete that post.

Has anyone seen my red stapler?
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 21, 9:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can still block people by clicking ignore next to their name.

The difference is that when you block them, now they can still see your comments. Before, if you ignored someone, that would also hide your comments from them.

That was actually pretty confusing, and so was another reason to stop doing it.
25   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2019 Feb 22, 9:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
It limits my enjoyment of the site to read along and see gaps where jazz or some other snowflake blocked me.

GOOD!

And look who is calling names already. --that reveals you. (point the finger and look at the other 3 pointing back at you)

I tolerate too many people like you already, I only weed out the worst ones who never post anything I would want to read, and always make things difficult dominating the scene with stupidness.

Blocked persons should not see the posts when they are blocked. WTF

These are such miserable people and they need to be left alone, MrMagic, TPB, Strat, etc., etc., etc.

There are miserable people in this world you know. Tormented souls whose "brains are squirming like a toad." (Jim Morrison) It's too bad what they are going through but that is why they invented prisons and jails. (to protect people who can contribute positively --because it is vital that people who have in themselves to contribute something SINCERE and DECENT are not prevented from doing so)

Can the world discern between sugar and shit? A troll will tell you that one is the other unless you agree with him.

Better discern, in spite of the outcries, and act upon that.

WTF! This is not rocket science but basic survival.
26   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2019 Feb 22, 9:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled.

The bastards were completely different when there was an attractive female user here. (Turtledove)

That again shows what we are dealing with is the unwillingness and the inability to treat people decently on the part of certain people WHO ARE NEVER GOING TO CHANGE EITHER because they are always trying to "win" or whatever.

My time is too valuable to have my experiences transformed by such people into a poor imitation of an old "Monty Python sketch."

No, I really mean it, my time is too valuable for such shit.
27   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 22, 9:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I tolerate too many people like you already,


You are free to block anyone who triggers you. It's your prerogative.
28   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 22, 2:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks Patrick!
29   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 22, 4:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled


If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Feb 22, 4:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

29 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 22, 4:06pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

jazz_music says

WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled

If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.

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For example I've had you on ignore and that didn't stop you from hacking into my threads. Same with the regular FortWayne and Fortwaynemobil - why is that ?
31   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 22, 5:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I didn’t hack anything. You ignore me, you don’t see my posts. It doesn’t mean I can’t see yours, it’s a forum not safe space at UCBerkeley.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Feb 22, 5:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick made the change 24 hours ago - look at the date on your comment. All three versions of Fort Wayne have been on ignore since the end of January...so yes - you hacked and did a work around on the ignore.

Thread - http://patrick.net/post/1322512/2019-02-19-our-increasingly-fascist-public-discourse

8 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 19, 9:12am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

Oh they understand, they just support the illegal part too.

MrMagic says

Onvacation says

Kakistocracy says

When politicians start calling immigrants and refugees “illegal aliens,”

They broke into the country!

True!!

The TDS crowd is having a really hard time understanding the difference between "immigrants" and "ILLEGAL immigrants".

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Want to see some more ? By the way your buddy Mr. Magic did the same thing on the same thread
34   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Feb 22, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@FortWayneIndiana

Here's a few more examples of something that didn't happen...same thread as comment 33

10 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 19, 9:49am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Left is super fascist. They do everything Nazis did. They found a group of people (in this case whites), whom they blame for everything, and demand that group be marginalized and their stuff redistributed.
They hate white people
They use "white privilege" as a call to assault whites
They promote violence against anyone who is white or wears a Maga hat.
They block anything conservative or white in the media
They promote anything that is anti white and anti conservative.
Their political candidates are leftist anarchists who hate white people.
To sum up, left are modern Nazis.

http://patrick.net/post/1322287/2019-02-11-trump-offers-socialism-for-the-rich-capitalism-for-everyone-else

7 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 11, 11:28am ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Usual TDS. Soon they'll blame him for cancer, provided they haven't already.

17 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 11, 4:52pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Under Teump economy improved. So OP is just TDSing.

http://patrick.net/post/1322111/2019-02-05-state-of-the-union-kunstler

30 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 6, 6:57pm ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
No matter how much you hate Trump, he’s the President, and Socialism is regressive stupidity

http://patrick.net/post/1322202/2019-02-08-middle-class-dads-freak-out-about-trump-tax-hike-and-how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-you-re-in

4 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 6:58am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I got a tax cut. Not rich either.
But I don’t have expensive real estate. CA taxes too much. Taxes make it very obvious.

20 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 8:42pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I live in CA, I don't expect the other 48 states (not counting NY) to subsadize my high tax rate.
But either way, I've got a tax cut. Just always lived frugally, not a problem with tax cap deductions.
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Feb 22, 6:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
You can put the troll on ignore, and be done


Perhaps not....
36   LastMan   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 22, 6:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar.


You don't want to understand other perspectives. The use of TDS outs you.
37   CBOEtrader   ignore (7)   2019 Feb 22, 8:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LastMan says
CBOEtrader says
My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar.


You don't want to understand other perspectives. The use of TDS outs you.


If someone cant explain why they hate trump, or simply says hes racist => that is pure TDS w no logical support.

Show me you dont have TDS and make a rational case against Trump. Should be easy
39   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 23, 9:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.

There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.

Kakistocracy says
Hacking occurred before Patrick made the change. You were not able to see my posts before the change once you logged in, just like I can not see you right now. Hacking to me is doing a work around to post comments on a thread where you are not welcome - i.e. - the ignore and it has been done with all three versions of Fort Wayne.

You do have company if it's any consolation.
40   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 23, 10:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Can the world discern between sugar and shit? A troll will tell you that one is the other unless you agree with him.

I come to patnet for original ideas backed by facts and data.

I just scroll through the BS without emotion or ignoring them.
42   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Feb 23, 11:33am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

39 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 23, 9:32am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.

There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.

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BULLSHIT !

The "feature" was not broken.

If the "feature" was broken, how come it was only broken only on certain days on certain threads at certain selective times for certain people?

How about explaining the need for three different account names if trolling is not the end game?

The above would also apply to several other respondents as well.

By the way I still have all three versions of Fort Wayne on ignore and can not see any comments right now from any of them.

Nor can I see the post I am editing this comment on - just my comment as of 3:13 P.M. EDT on 2/23/2019
43   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 23, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Multiple accounts = multiple devices because I don’t know my password, it was picked random. So I just register again. Duh!!!

Kakistocracy says
39 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 23, 9:32am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag

You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.

There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.

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BULLSHIT !

The "feature" was not broken.

If the "feature" was broken, how come it was only broken only on certain days on certain threads at certain selective times for certain people?

How about explaining the need for three different account names if trolling is not the end game?

The above would also apply to several other respondents as well.

By the way I st...
45   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 23, 5:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Headset and a few more – keep forgetting their passwords which when reset

Not me. I have no one on ignore and I have not needed to reset my password.
48   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2019 Feb 24, 6:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
anti_forum

Hmmm, heheheh. Saying that this is a place to echo extreme right wing talking points must have finally been judged as anti_forum.

Who'd a thunk it?
49   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2019 Feb 24, 6:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
jazz_music says
anti_forum

Hmmm, heheheh. Saying that this is a place to echo extreme right wing talking points must have finally been judged as anti_forum.

Who'd a thunk it?

oh hell no, it must have been that other part about a playground for the riff raff to dominate smarter, nicer people
50   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Feb 24, 6:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Such a victim mentality Jazz... really?
Half the threads are by you, Marcus and kaktocracy here, tovarichpwter, etc...

You just don’t have a mature attitude about disagreements.

jazz_music says
jazz_music says
anti_forum

Hmmm, heheheh. Saying that this is a place to echo extreme right wing talking points must have finally been judged as anti_forum.

Who'd a thunk it?
51   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2019 Feb 24, 6:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Safe to say that this part is not anti_forum at all

Strategist has tried to silence me by instilling fear, commenting vague but definitely menacing threats to me that he and his cohorts have gone easy on me so far but if I continue speaking against them that they were going to crack down on me.

Strategist has insisted to Patrick in a way that was visible to me that I actually enjoy being trolled.

Strategist and MrMagic represent the most malignant of the trolling culture here along with the nearly constant extreme right wing rantings of TPB.

ALL OF THIS NASTINESS ASIDE. (this nastiness is a proven major attraction to a lot of patnet followers)

Merely "not trolling" sets the bar too low.

There are far too many comments far too often that are nothing more than spitballs from the back of the classroom hardee har har. The way to combat ongoing predominance of tomfoolery is to go away and not comment which is what I mostly do.

At least 3 of these obnoxious guys, Mr Magic, Strategist, and FortWayne, share some gimmick that allows them to defeat blocking so they can dominate, heckle, taunt and torment persons they disagree with, their posts and their comments which is what they ever wanted to do since their own interest to discuss rationally is limited.

It's all just fun fun fun LOL

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