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Political Humor thread.

By marcus follow marcus   2019 Feb 17, 4:30pm 69,427 views   7,871 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    





This is distinct from the TRump humor thread. If you're a triggered right winger, that wants to vent the best "libs are evil" crap you can come up with, this is the place. Not the TRump cartoon and Meme thread.

Although feel free to post memes very specific to Trump about how awesome he is, in the Trump cartoon and meme thread.

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7832   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 8:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

Trump did not allow certain members of his admin to testify in the hearings and he also would not release key documents. This is why obstruction of congress is one of the primary reasons he is being impeached.

So now he's being impeached for not allowing impeachment? Bribery is out. Quid pro quo is out. Collusion is out.

What high crime or misdemeanor did Trump commit?

Not expecting answers.
7833   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 8:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
the Republicans are arguing that only evidence considered by the house should be allowed, and that no new evidence should be considered in the trial. Not even subpoenaed witnesses and documents that Trump obstructed the House from considering at the hearings.


This is how a judicial process works. You dont keep rolling out new witnesses after discovery and investigation process is over. That would be unfair to everyone involved.

Unfortunately the democrats did such a purely partisan hack job in the house, that the Senate must now try to slap together an investigation and a trial.

The fact is, it is Trumps #1 job as potus to root out corruption. W prima facie evidence like Hunter Biden receiving $1 million/yr from corrupt ukrainian oligarchs and billions in loans from china, all while working hand in hand w the same people and companies that fabricate the dossier... there is perhaps noone more relevant to trumps day to day POTUS obligations that Hunter Biden, and his smokescreen of corruption.

This will blow up in the dems face as the corruption is revealed piece by piece, justifying Trump and his administrations intent to investigate his foreign dealings. It's amazing that you dont care about corruption as long as your team is doing it though.

The impeachment is just another attempt to steal power from the american voter.

This has turned into a circus, by pelosi design.
7834   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 8:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
You can say that this is some kind of wild spin. But not without showing the kind of dishonest Trump Cuck you truly are.


Considering I offer facts while you do nothing but adhom, I accept the apology you should be offering me for both being wrong and a child.
7835   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 20, 8:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
you do nothing but adhom


Three of your four quotes in your last two comments are fact based, one could be considered partially ad hominem, but is fact based to me.

"Nothing but facts" is Trump style lying.

CBOEtrader says
It's amazing that you dont care about corruption as long as your team is doing it though.


I care, but it's not relevant to the question of whether Trump held back aid in exchange for an announcement of a Ukraine based investigation of the Bidens. I say sure, investigate those things. Have the justice department do it. Don't personally bribe a leader of another country to say something.

I disagree with the arguments you parrot from republicans. But suppose you are right. That they can make the argument that somehow things that were subpoenaed for the House hearings and held back from congress (illegally ? obstruction of congresss ?) need not be considered at all, based on technicalities.. Maybe they can even make that argument successfully, becasue the jurors are majority Trump Cucks.

Or say they are right even. Why would they choose this path, rather than looking at all evidence and proving that Trump didn't do anything wrong ?

This is for the history books.
7840   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 20, 9:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Don't personally bribe a leader of another country to say something.


Evidence for this personal bribe?

I'll give your country X for a UN Vote/Assistance with Investigation isn't quid pro quo, it's standard as fuck.

However, in this case the incoming Ukraine Pres did not know aid was being delayed as it was being reviewed per the law:



As has been mentioned multiple times.
7841   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 9:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
care, but it's not relevant to the question of whether Trump held back aid in exchange for an announcement of a Ukraine based investigation of the Bidens.


Ok, now we're getting somewhere. So you think Trump "held back aid" ? Yet noone involved says he did, neither is there any record or evidence of him doing so. It would also be his prerogative to hold back money if the recieving end is corrupt or not doing what they are supposed to do. So this comes back to mind reading. "We alone know why Trump does what he does! It's not to fight the prima facie corruption evident in the actions of hunter Biden, and fusion GPS. Nah, its cause he wants to spear innocent hunter and god fearing fusion GPS." Your team has gone full retard.

And you suggest he did it " in exchange for an announcement of a Ukraine based investigation of the Bidens?" Wheres your evidence? How is a press conference an impeachable offense? It is not the POTUS's prerogative to make an investigation public or not. I dont see how Trump did this nor do I see how it could be a problem if he did.

Do you have a problem w a POTU helping his former SOS spy on, and formulate a fake dossier against, hide intelligence from, and generally do everything he can to lead a conspiracy of powerful deepstaters to effectuate a coup of POTUS candidate and later of POTUS elect?

If what you think Trump did is bad, why hasnt obama been impeached 25 times over for a zillion times more manipulation of our electoral process?
7842   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 20, 10:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@CBOA I can't join you in fanatasy Island.

CBOEtrader says
If what you think Trump did is bad, why hasnt obama been impeached 25 times over for a zillion times more manipulation of our electoral process?


Please claim victory since I'm not going to argue this anymore. Especially not in this thread.

But I note that rather than answer my single biggest concluding question which I tried to put together as thoughtfully as possible, you only ask other irrelevant questions.

marcus says
I disagree with the arguments you parrot from republicans. But suppose you are right. That they can make the argument that somehow things that were subpoenaed for the House hearings and held back from congress (illegally ? obstruction of congresss ?) need not be considered at all, based on technicalities.. Maybe they can even make that argument successfully, becasue the jurors are majority Trump Cucks.

Or say they are right even. Why would they choose this path, rather than looking at all evidence and proving that Trump didn't do anything wrong ?

This is for the history books.


NoCoupForYou says
As has been mentioned multiple times.


We're getting out of my legal depth here, but I have no reason to think that act is completely relevant. There are separate (additional) laws regarding what the President can and can not do, including specific provisions that supersede others put into subsequent Congressional acts that provide foreign aid.


OMB might have had the ability to withhold this aid if the White House had provided Congress with a message meeting the ICA’s requirements. But no message appears to have been sent. Furthermore, the aid from both Defense and State was held long past the mandated 45-day period and in apparent contravention of his powers defined by 31 U.S.C § 1512. The president and OMB did ultimately release the $250 million in aid from the Defense Department (on Sept. 11) and the $141 million from the State Department (around the same date). Whether there is some good legal or other explanation for the long delay in releasing the money is a question that lacks a clear answer, and that might remain unanswered indefinitely if Congress cannot get its hands on the requested documents.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/role-omb-withholding-ukrainian-aid
7844   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 11:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Don't personally bribe a leader of another country to say something.

Who did that? Are they being charged with bribery?

Biden extorted Ukraine to STOP his son from being investigated. Is that what you're talking about?
7845   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I disagree with the arguments you parrot from republicans. But suppose you are right. That they can make the argument that somehow things that were subpoenaed for the House hearings and held back from congress (illegally ? obstruction of congresss ?) need not be considered at all, based on technicalities.. Maybe they can even make that argument successfully, becasue the jurors are majority Trump Cucks.

Or say they are right even. Why would they choose this path, rather than looking at all evidence and proving that Trump didn't do anything wrong ?

This is for the history books.


Your framing of the question makes no sense. There is no evidence of a crime. None. Given zero current evidence, you think a court should override executive privilege? Do I need to ask you again about due process? It would be criminally irresponsible to throw out executive priviledge because orange man bad. Everyone has rights, even Trump.

^^I cant imagine the propagandized mind that would think this is ok. Smfh, I hope the dems lose everything in 2020. They desperately need a dose of reality.
7846   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 20, 11:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Senate trial should be as unbiased as the House Inquiry.
7848   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 20, 9:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Given zero current evidence, you think a court should override executive privilege?


Pathetic.

If there's zero evidence, then let them have what they claim is evidence and make their case. Show them to be the clowns that you say they are.

Don't run and hide saying "no no no, omg we can't let you prove that you have no case !! We prefer to make it look like Trump is guilty and that we are afraid of the truth "

Otherwise the history books will show obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice by the President. Lies and off the charts ridiculous bullshit assertions can't change the simple truth.

Simple choice:

Choice A) Maybe get Trump off on a technicality,becasue you know he's guilty.

Choice B) Let the democrats make fools of themselves by making their case becasue they have no case. This would be so great for Trump politically. That is if he weren't guilty of doing exactly what he is accused of.
7849   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 20, 9:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

:
Re: Until I see high profile deep state arrests..........

Yeah, yeah we know. You want a fascist takeover of our government. What else is new.
7854   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
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If he is guilty of all that why was he not charged with all that?

Not expecting a cogent answer.
7855   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 20, 9:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And he's still yo' President.
7856   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 21, 4:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
Given zero current evidence, you think a court should override executive privilege?


Pathetic.

If there's zero evidence, then let them have what they claim is evidence and make their case. Show them to be the clowns that you say they are.

Don't run and hide saying "no no no, omg we can't let you prove that you have no case !! We prefer to make it look like Trump is guilty and that we are afraid of the truth "

Otherwise the history books will show obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice by the President. Lies and off the charts ridiculous bullshit assertions can't change the simple truth.

Simple choice:

Choice A) Maybe get Trump off on a technicality,becasue you know he's guilty.

Choice B) Let the democrats make fools of themselves by making their case becasue they have no case. This would be so great for Trump poli...


Seek help. TDS is off the charts.

Does trump deserve rights and due process? If so, then everything you said is backwards. It's not trumps job to prove he is innocent, though he may take this opportunity to prove a few things about the prosecutors. We shall see.

The investigation and prosecutors have failed to bring a single shred of evidence to make anyone think this isnt a purely political hack job. You've been lied to and dont care.

Tte most fair way to proceed would be to throw the case out for lack of evidence.
7857   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 21, 7:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Choice A) Maybe get Trump off on a technicality,becasue you know he's guilty.

Choice B) Let the democrats make fools of themselves by making their case becasue they have no case. This would be so great for Trump politically. That is if he weren't guilty of doing exactly what he is accused of.


The history books will be extremely clear, regardless of your TCS.
7861   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 21, 7:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Except they obviously don't. But that's okay, I get it. You're speaking to his base.
7863   NoCoupForYou   ignore (5)   2020 Jan 21, 7:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We made the right choice in 2016

7864   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Jan 21, 7:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
marcus says
Choice A) Maybe get Trump off on a technicality,becasue you know he's guilty.

Choice B) Let the democrats make fools of themselves by making their case becasue they have no case. This would be so great for Trump politically. That is if he weren't guilty of what he is accused of.


The history books will be extremely clear, regardless of your TCS.


Bannon says Trump wants to do the 2nd, but I dont believe anything Bannon says.

This could easily turn into a 3 month long circus if we start bringing in Hunter Biden and fusion GPS to testify. The senate rules are not designed to do an investigation, just a trial.

What could any of these people say that hasnt already been said, that would clear trump? Both Trump and Ukrainian Zelenski say no quid-pro-quo. The only two eye witnesses say this didnt go down like the democrats suggest it did.

What more do you want?

Noone is suggesting that Trump actually DID anything wrong, but somehow you think his INTENT was to do something wrong, so orange man bad.

There is literally nothing to disprove, nor is there any way to PROVE what you suggest. It's all mind reading nonsense. Ignore the people involved in the phone call, only Adam Schiff and N Pelosi know what Trump really meant. It's so fucking stupid, man.

Therefore, the witnesses (if allowed) will be a string of Biden/Ukrainian oligarch corruption witnesses showing why the investigation into them is important.

Meanwhile the dems will bring in random administrators multiple levels removed, who are pre screened to agree w their delusion. They will be handed leading questions and ready with their soundbite answers.

Then you will be back here w your propagandized soundbites declaring victory, while the entire world laughs at the circus
7867   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 21, 10:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says


LOL So True, So True!
7868   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2020 Jan 21, 10:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So will you admit you're a full of shit hack if none of these statutes are even mentioned?

marcus says
7869   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Jan 21, 11:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Because she was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer, she conspired to violate the constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the Committee. and the rules of confidentiality."

Are these requirements to be a US president?
Or how did you end up in a competition between that lady and Trump in 2016?
7871   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jan 21, 10:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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Tenpoundbass says
So will you admit you're a full of shit hack if none of these statutes are even mentioned?


They may not. There is a reason why they chose abuse of power and obstruction of congress. And I'm not claiming expertise, but I can see that if they make the charges more general, they avoid arguments such as, "what he did may or may not have been wrong, but we have proven that it doesn't meet the technical definition of bribery. "

CBOEtrader says
There is literally nothing to disprove


Of course it's not Trumps job to prove he's innocent. But when he orders people to not comply with subpoenas and to not turn over other evidence, that's obstruction. As for the evidence that exists ? The transcript, combined with the fact that the money was withheld, combined with all those that say it was understood that Trump was illegally withholding the funds (for some reason).

Taken together, this is at a minimum, sufficient reason to have access to documents and witnesses both of which Trump has ordered not to be provided.

I get that you're making the best argument you can come up with. I think it's sad that you can't do better than your nonsensical "executive privelidge."

According to you, all future Presidents should have card blanch to engage in treasonous or otherwise egregious crimes against the people, as long as what they do is somewhat contained to people in the executive branch that he or she can order not to answer any questions, and even prevent from responding to subpoenas. They can do whatever they want with no congressional oversight.

Sounds crazy. But also everyone knows that it's not what the founding fathers intended, and that in fact this situation is exactly the reason that the ability of congress to impeach exists.

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