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Berkeley banned natural gas

By Fortwaynemobile following x   2019 Jul 20, 7:42pm 394 views   11 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Idiocy is strong there in Berkeley, it is truth that idiocy has no limits.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel-turner-berkeley-natural-gas-ban-new-homes-businesses
1   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 20, 7:45pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Berkeley has a rep to maintain. Destructive psychosis transformed into legislation always works.
2   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 20, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol, love this phrase!

Ceffer says
Berkeley has a rep to maintain. Destructive psychosis transformed into legislation always works.
3   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 21, 6:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Next up: a ban on breathing too much!
4   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 21, 8:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Next up: a ban on breathing too much!

You will be allowed to inhale.
5   clambo   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 21, 10:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The electricity they use comes from natural gas in the first place.
6   Booger   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 23, 6:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

clambo says
The electricity they use comes from natural gas in the first place.


It comes from out of state coal plants.
7   clambo   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 23, 6:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger, of course some comes from out of state; but the natural gas plant in Moss Landing CA is likely supplying some juice to Berkeley.
8   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 23, 7:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Worst case marginal electric emissions in California are 1 lb CO2/kWh. The normal CO2 emission profile is less than half of this (you can see it in real time on the CA ISO website). So worst case electric grid CO2 emissions translates into:
29.3 lbs CO2/therm
Natural gas emissions per EIA is:
11.7 lbs CO2/therm
From those numbers, it's clear that natural gas heating would beat electric resistance heaters; however, any heat pump with an efficiency greater than 250% will have a lower CO2 emissions profile than a natural gas furnace.
Per https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/06/heat-pumps-work-miracles/
Let’s say your electricity comes from natural gas turbines, converted to electricity at 40% efficiency (via a heat engine). Coupled with a heat pump achieving a COP of 3.5, each unit of energy injected at the natural gas plant yields 0.4×3.5 units of thermal energy in the home, for a net gain of 40% over just burning the gas directly in the home.
9   clambo   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 24, 8:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

people don't cook or heat bath water using heat pumps
10   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 24, 2:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

clambo says
people don't cook or heat bath water using heat pumps

Welcome to the future; heat the food on your cooktop, not your entire kitchen.
A major difference between a gas and induction stovetop is that induction is significantly more efficient than gas – food being cooked with induction will receive 90% of the heat generated, as opposed to only 40-55% for gas. This keeps your kitchen much cooler and more comfortable while you prepare meals. Induction cooking also decreases risk of burns and accidental fires, as there is no open flame and the cookware itself is the only heat source.
11   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 24, 3:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

clambo says
people don't ... heat bath water using heat pumps

Sanden sells the most efficient model in the US. It uses a split system so the heat pump can be located outside. Additionally there are several "all in one" heat pump water heaters available at home depot.

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