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The Finnish city with no homeless, and why Britain is doomed to have homeless

By Patrick following x   2019 Jul 18, 6:54pm 601 views   23 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-46891392

The number of people sleeping rough in the UK has multiplied since 2010. But in Finland's capital Helsinki rough sleeping has been almost eradicated thanks to a groundbreaking scheme. What can cities in the UK learn from the Finns?

Emerging from Helsinki's grandiose central railway station on a bitterly cold evening, it does not take long before you notice something unusual.

There are no rough sleepers and no-one is begging.

The contrast with the UK's major towns and cities - where rough sleepers curled up in sleeping bags, blankets or tents are a common sight - is striking. ...

"We can see that it works in Finland, so why can't it work here," says Neil Cornthwaite, head of operations at the homeless charity Barnabus Manchester.


Good question.

The answer is simple: diversity destroys social cohesion. What can the UK learn from the Finns? They can learn that no one in a diverse society cares about his fellow citizens because they don't have the same ancestors, habits, customs, or even language. There is no real nation in a diverse society, just a set of nominal (unprotected) borders and official papers (or not, if you're an illegal).

Britain has a "ethnic fractionalization index" of 0.324 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level )

Finland has a much lower level of diversity, 0.132

The reason Finland's homeless programs work is that the Finns still care about each other, exactly because they are other Finns. Take a look at the photos of the people helped by Finland's programs:




They are Finns. That is exactly why other Finns can muster the political will to deal with homelessness.

And the US? 0.491

We are totally fucked by the diversity religion that is erasing the United States as a coherent entity.

Maybe a little diversity is good, like 5% of the population, but excess diversity is death.
1   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 18, 7:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

California's problem isn't an organic one. Politicians like Eric Garcetti and Gavin Newsom WANT publicly subsidized housing. Garbagecetti is on the record as early as his college years as saying he believe that housing is a fundamental right and the government ought to buy housing for every one.

In 2013 when LA was sued by the ACLU, the city of LA failed to appeal a ruling requiring LA to have enough beds before they could arrest people on the street. Just two short years earlier, the LAPD had arrested homeless in sufficient quantities that there were actually as many empty beds as there were occupied ones. Literally the population on skid row was around 800-1200. Now its in the thousands, multiplying by several times.

The ACLU did not sue surrounding cities like Burbank, Culver City, and Glendale. Garbagecetti and Gruesome supported reduction of crime penalties, early release, and other toxic laws.

Its a straight fucking set up, Intentional 100% all to force government funded housing.

Guess what asshole helped finance both politicians......Of course George Soros.
2   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 18, 7:44pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In Finland, they call them 'frozen homeless-sickles' and they air drop the bodies onto a glacier. Cold weather has it's advantages.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 18, 8:01pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Rin sure, religious Muslims are the very worst in terms of dividing and weakening societies because they do not assimilate and are prone to terrorism, but in general, more homogeneous societies are more likely to thrive.

I'm not saying to exclude everyone of different origins, only that people here should want to be American above all other identities. That just can't happen with continuous mass imports from the 3rd world. Assimilation should be the primary goal. And part of that is literal genetic mixing. Even a country which is too diverse can cure itself eventually by cutting off immigration until all the current residents have intermarried and feel themselves to be one people and not many. E pluibus unum.

It's like trying to eat a big meal. You can only eat so much at a time. Eat too much and you will get sick, or vomit.
5   Rin   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 18, 8:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
That just can't happen with continuous mass imports from the 3rd world. Assimilation should be the primary goal.


I've already stated that point, read my snipe at bozos like AOC ...

http://patrick.net/post/1325891/2019-07-18-the-20th-century-squad-congressional-americans-of-polish-hungarian-russian-armenian-descent-rail-against-anglo-saxon-hegemony

"Yes, the eastern Europeaners are mad at all those Anglo-German-Dutch or Celtic types, running the country.

They have no representation as Ghoulash, Lamejun. Kielbasa, & Borscht dishes are not served on Capital Hill or the White House.

This is against their homelands and their cultural contributions!

Oh ... wait! No such thing occurred! Those ppl assimilated and married others of the American mainstream and now, are no different than anyone else, from the 1970s to 2010.

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, AOC is just another Sicilian, Armenian, or some other Mediterranean descended person, trying to cry foul at racism or discrimination, just because her family's language is Spanish and not Maltese."
6   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 19, 11:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

While this may play a roll, I don't think we should overlook the fact that Helsinki has a population of just over half a million, while London's population is nearly nine million. Social programs only work when they are administered locally and people know each other. I don't care if all 9 million Londoner's were 100% Saxon blood, they would still have shit-tons of homeless. Centralization breeds stress, isolation, and contempt for your fellow man.
7   Rin   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 19, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
I don't care if all 9 million Londoner's were 100% Saxon blood, they would still have shit-tons of homeless. Centralization breeds stress, isolation, and contempt for your fellow man.


I'm not sure if anyone remembers but even the London of Dicken's times was a gnarly place.

In effect, I think because the UK has experience with boom/bust cycles (ala South Sea Bubble) and riff-raffs (Bill Sikes a/o Jack the Ripper), they'll survive this again.
8   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 19, 12:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Large federations that tend to span entire continents can't be compared to smaller, homogenous nations like Finland much because of this very reason, @Patrick. Especially when the larger the population of said federation tends to insulate these bad effects, for the most part.

This is why Sweden is going to hell in a hand basket in general, whereas only some very localized parts (high population ones to be sure) of the US relative to its large geographic extent are. Same thing would happen in Finland if they followed in implementing Sweden's rapefugee fuck-up.

And look south of Finland at Estonia. All those Russians who are pissed off. Canada is somewhat a similar situation, only a much larger one and the Quebecois were bought off. That makes the Canadian federation a special case against the rule I just mentioned...and not a very stable one.

Then look at Switzerland. Yes, it is small geographically with a small population. But early on during its national formative years it was a Yugoslavia waiting to happen. The Swiss knew it and drew up a loose confederational structure that should be looked to as a model of heterogenous nations today. It's main criteria of success? Localization of most political power. Only the major cities were 'designed' to be heterogenous melting pots, the cantons not. Of course the idiots who designed the EU didn't look to that model when they fucking well should have. Globalists HATE decentralization, after all.

There was a plan to save the old Austro-Hungarian Empire by reforming itself along more Swiss-like lines. But WWI put an end to it before it could be put into place. Had it been done say 20 years before the War, it is possible that A-H would have been a more prosperous, industrialized nation that probably would have not have joined the Axis and perhaps maybe joined the Triple Entente instead. Or at least stayed neutral and backed that position up with a more modernized and stronger military.

UK should have confederated a long time ago. Hell, if they had done it before WW2, they could have saved the Empire by replacing it with a real Commonwealth with a federal structure, sort of like how Canada and Australia have -- minus India & South Africa.

If the US is to avoid more strife, it is going to have to adopt a more decentralized-back-to-the-states system that exists in a 'live and let live' attitude like the Swiss have and what the Austro-Hungarians were trying to have. It will probably have to do this anyway purely because of budgetary reasons.
9   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 19, 12:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They can learn that no one in a diverse society cares about his fellow citizens because they don't have the same ancestors, habits, customs, or even language

Anyone notice the racial mix that compose most of the tent favela populations in California? ESPECIALLY in the 'enlightened' Bay Area?

Hint: it is not really because an individual is of any particular race that lands them in those situations, but the fact that they are of a race that has a certain natural birth citizenship status in the US that stands out.





10   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 12:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Emerging from Helsinki's grandiose central railway station on a bitterly cold evening, it does not take long before you notice something unusual.

There are no rough sleepers and no-one is begging.

The contrast with the UK's major towns and cities - where rough sleepers curled up in sleeping bags, blankets or tents are a common sight - is striking. ...

N. Europe is not very good for homelessness
11   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 12:54pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I do not think that at least in US homelessness correlates with "diversity". From graph below, it correlates with batshit crazy liberal policies.
12   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 19, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
I do not think that at least in US homelessness correlates with "diversity". From graph below, it correlates with batshit crazy liberal policies.


And where is the 'diversity' concentrated in the US? The batshit liberal policies is an outcome of the diversity.
13   Rin   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 19, 1:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
decentralized-back-to-the-states system


That's sort of how the US started, up until the Civil War.

And the fact that the electoral college is such that the Hillary Clintonese urbanites of Boston, NYC, Philly, DC, Chi-Town, LA, & SFBA don't decide the national election.
14   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 1:50pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
And where is the 'diversity' concentrated in the US? The batshit liberal policies is an outcome of the diversity.

TX is diverse enough but not batshit liberal crazy YET. TX is becoming more liberal not because of diversity, but because of influx of white limousine liberals from California, who, having ruined their state, now descend to TX (Austin, Houston, Dallas) like fucking locusts. Austin is not the most diverse city in TX - but it is the most crazy and is approaching CA in stupidity. Lubbock, which is as conservative as it goes, is only 55% white. Odessa-Midland is 40 or so % white - mayor is a conservative Hispanic guy who won over a less conservative white guy. Point is, "diversity" as such is not sufficient to make city or state crazy.
15   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 19, 2:58pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Point is, "diversity" as such is not sufficient to make city or state crazy.


In Texas we see Texas Latinos as our brothers. We are the same culture.

Diversity of skin color is A-Ok, as long as there is unified cultural values! Unified cultural values is far easier to accomplish if everyone is related and has same history, etc... But not necessary.

However, when people from other cultures start calling taxpaying Americans Nazi's, we have a big problem.

In a corporation, diversity of thought is excellent!! As long as the corporate vision is shared. It's the same thing for the USA! Diversity is great, as long as we have a shared vision!!! Unfortunately the lugenpresse brainwashes the left to hate other Americans and hate our American values of individual and economic liberty. Any immigrant that comes to USA and loves freedom, is thankful for the opportunities here, and wants the same for future generations is embraced by all.

None of this changes the FACT that humans almost never accomplish a unified vision without a unified cultural history. We need to at least admit the challenge and act accordingly, such as not forcing diversity on communities or accusing groups of being Nazis for choosing less diversity.
16   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 3:04pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Diversity of skin color is A-Ok, as long as there is unified cultural values! Unified cultural values is far easier to accomplish if everyone is related and has same history, etc... But not necessary.

+10000000000
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 20, 11:03am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Absolutely.

NuttBoxer says
I don't care if all 9 million Londoner's were 100% Saxon blood, they would still have shit-tons of homeless. Centralization breeds stress, isolation, and contempt for your fellow man.


Look at Tokyo. Even more people than London, essentially zero homeless.

Sure, big cities will always have some homeless because they are collecting points for people who just can't make it because of mental illness or hard drugs, but people from the same genetic pool naturally care about each other much more than they care about those of different backgrounds. The best we can do now is to stress our common culture and slow the flood of illegals.

We should definitely try to bring back the melting pot. That's the only way we can assimilate newcomers and regain some national unity and the benefits that come with that unity.
18   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 20, 12:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Dallas
Dallas, 100 miles north where I lived 38 years until 2005, is having a crime wave, already more homicides than in 2018, with a fairly new black female police chief. Who saw that coming?
19   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 20, 6:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't care who lives here.
If they break the law, I'll be glad to execute the punishment. When finished,they will wish they never had a criminal thought.

I live in a country full of snowflakes.
20   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 20, 9:48pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@HEYYOU

Would also enforce the law against those who broke into this country and illegally remain here?
21   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 20, 10:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
CBOEtrader says
Diversity of skin color is A-Ok, as long as there is unified cultural values! Unified cultural values is far easier to accomplish if everyone is related and has same history, etc... But not necessary.

+10000000000


The Left is already saying Western Civ is a codeword for White Supremacy. In fact, I think Marcus posted a shitty Left Meme to this effect in the Meme/Toon thread.
22   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 21, 6:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@HEYYOU

Would also enforce the law against those who broke into this country and illegally remain here?


Right now! Why hasn't Trump/Rep/Cons done anything about the many illegals roaming our streets?

"Fact: Two-thirds of the recent unauthorized immigrant population entered the U.S. on valid visas, then stayed in the country after that visa expired."
Source: Center for Migration Studies

"Only about one-third of the recently unauthorized immigration population got to the U.S. by sneaking across the southern border, according to Randy Capps, director of research for U.S. Programs at the Migration Policy Institute. That means a wall would not have prevented two-thirds of the country's recently undocumented immigrants from illegally entering the U.S."

Too bad Republicans are so gullible & stupid.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-on-immigration-topics-likely-2019-state-of-the-union-fact-check/

Trump/Rep/Cons still issuing visas.
We know who is responsible for illegals.
23   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 22, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Look at Tokyo. Even more people than London, essentially zero homeless.


Asians put a pretty high premium on family and ancestors. Beijing is mostly Chinese, but people there are very disconnected, with the exception of those in your family. They'll walk right past people in trouble like they aren't there. This is absolutely due to how harsh and controlling their central government is, coupled with the flood of people living in Beijing. Ethnicity is a symptom, not a root cause.

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