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1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 18, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The world finally catches up with Ted. AGAIN!

They are also a death trap.
2   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 18, 9:47am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If you can't afford first class, DIE, FLYPEASANT, FUCKING DIE!
3   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2019 Jul 18, 10:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YOU CHOSE TO FLY COMMERCIAL!, FILTHY CUNT!

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BUY A LOTTERY TICKET OR WE'LL FEATURE YOU AS THE INFLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT BY STICKING AN ICE PICK INTO YOUR EYE AND LET YOU WANDER AROUND THE CABIN BEGGING FOR HELP!
4   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 18, 9:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Before you could jump on a crowded plane and fly from SF to Boston in 5 hours it would take you 5 days on a train. Before that it was 5 months in a covered wagon, if cholera or the Apaches didn't get you.

It could be a lot worse.
5   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Before you could jump on a crowded plane and fly from SF to Boston in 5 hours it would take you 5 days on a train. Before that it was 5 months in a covered wagon, if cholera or the Apaches didn't get you.

It could be a lot worse.


Correct. Also note that flying if far more affordable today that it was back in the days of spacious seats and included cooked meals. The trade-off for cheaper prices is more seats per plane and fewer frills.
6   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 19, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As my co-worker said, "I can sit anywhere for an hour or so".

Problem is, the Airlines are now using regional jets for international. So you end up on a tiny domestic seat for 8 hours, not just 2. All the airlines on a route are doing the same thing, so there's no paying $30-$50 more.

Also, if you can't stand in front of your seat even parallel to the seat - so you're facing it or away from it, and no matter how pressed against the chair your legs might be, it's really a safety (and health) issue. Evacuation under any emergency situation - including just abandoning a plane with a fire on the tarmac, not just a crash landing - will be extremely dangerous.

Every plane I've taken in the past few years you can't even walk sideways through the seats without contorting yourself. And I'm 5'10" and I hit the luggage rack and have to bend down 4-5" just to navigate through the seats. Again, very dangerous in any kind of emergency.

Again, Airlines have been bailed out routinely to to the tune of Billions of Taxpayer dollars several times (not once) in the past 2-3 decades, and they are already paying a fraction of the gas tax all other modes of transportation pay. So the "Free Market" excuse falls on my deaf ears - a little consideration from the huge amount of subsidies and bailouts is hardly unreasonable.
7   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 19, 8:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
Also, if you can't stand in front of your seat even parallel to the seat - so you're facing it or away from it, and no matter how pressed against the chair your legs might be, it's really a safety (and health) issue. Evacuation under any emergency situation - including just abandoning a plane with a fire on the tarmac, not just a crash landing - will be extremely dangerous.


I've been saying that for years. Also what about the rough hard landings. I could see a situation where the few tiny bolts in that aluminum track the seats are fastened to, failing and every seat in every isle accordianing forward crushing several people to death.
8   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 19, 8:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh Yeah! In the meantime my wife told me, they are working on mandating that children ride in booster seats until the age of 12. It used to be around 4 or 5, now it's like 7 or 8, but they want to go to 12. It's silly. Why don't they just make car seats that are adjustable to accommodate smaller bodies? And why are kids mandated to sit in booster seats, but vertical challenged adults are not?

Liberals are nothing but one big con fuck job, period!
9   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 19, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I just took a trip on Spirit Airlines. It was about 3.2 hours long, but fairly uncomfortable due to the seats. Not only were they very close together in front and sides, but the back of the chair was about half an inch thick, basically a sheet of 1/4” steel with a thin pad over it. The seats weren’t much better for cushioning, and my knees barely fit. The seats didn’t recline at all, which may have been good because the guy in front of me was already too close without having his head in my lap. No drink service except for what you wanted to buy at exorbitant rates, yes including water. No water was available for free unless you’d care to try drinking from the bathroom sink. Not sure if that’s potable though. The tray table was about three inches square... not sure what you could rest on that. Then the flight was delayed for three hours due to maintenance issues. Add a couple small children and it was truly a hellish experience.

Never again. I’ll pay more next time.
10   rootvg   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
As my co-worker said, "I can sit anywhere for an hour or so".

Problem is, the Airlines are now using regional jets for international. So you end up on a tiny domestic seat for 8 hours, not just 2. All the airlines on a route are doing the same thing, so there's no paying $30-$50 more.

Also, if you can't stand in front of your seat even parallel to the seat - so you're facing it or away from it, and no matter how pressed against the chair your legs might be, it's really a safety (and health) issue. Evacuation under any emergency situation - including just abandoning a plane with a fire on the tarmac, not just a crash landing - will be extremely dangerous.

Every plane I've taken in the past few years you can't even walk sideways through the seats without contorting yourself. And I'm 5'10" and I hit the luggage rack and have to bend down 4-5" just to navigate through the seats. Again, very dangerous in any kind of emergency.

Again, Airlines have been baile...
Regional jets for international? How can you carry enough fuel?
11   rootvg   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 11:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
As my co-worker said, "I can sit anywhere for an hour or so".

Problem is, the Airlines are now using regional jets for international. So you end up on a tiny domestic seat for 8 hours, not just 2. All the airlines on a route are doing the same thing, so there's no paying $30-$50 more.

Also, if you can't stand in front of your seat even parallel to the seat - so you're facing it or away from it, and no matter how pressed against the chair your legs might be, it's really a safety (and health) issue. Evacuation under any emergency situation - including just abandoning a plane with a fire on the tarmac, not just a crash landing - will be extremely dangerous.

Every plane I've taken in the past few years you can't even walk sideways through the seats without contorting yourself. And I'm 5'10" and I hit the luggage rack and have to bend down 4-5" just to navigate through the seats. Again, very dangerous in any kind of emergency.

Again, Airlines have been baile...
We're going Lufthansa to Austria this fall and that should be a good ride. We had an A380 to Frankfurt two years ago and I got caught in the middle seat between my wife and some Turkish chick who looked like a double for Jamie Farr. I almost turned and asked what her handicap was.
12   rootvg   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 11:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
If you can't afford first class, DIE, FLYPEASANT, FUCKING DIE!
I was Silver on Delta for awhile and getting upgraded to First on a regular basis. There wasn't much difference especially in on the larger planes. I'd get First on one leg and end up in Economy Comfort on the next leg and my fatigue level at the destination was about the same. Drinks are better in First. That's about it.
13   rootvg   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 19, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I just took a trip on Spirit Airlines. It was about 3.2 hours long, but fairly uncomfortable due to the seats. Not only were they very close together in front and sides, but the back of the chair was about half an inch thick, basically a sheet of 1/4” steel with a thin pad over it. The seats weren’t much better for cushioning, and my knees barely fit. The seats didn’t recline at all, which may have been good because the guy in front of me was already too close without having his head in my lap. No drink service except for what you wanted to buy at exorbitant rates, yes including water. No water was available for free unless you’d care to try drinking from the bathroom sink. Not sure if that’s potable though. The tray table was about three inches square... not sure what you could rest on that. Then the flight was delayed for three hours due to maintenance issues. Add a couple small children and it was truly a hellish experience.

Never again. I’ll pay more next time.
I stick with the majors. United is terrible, American not much better. For us it's Southwest or Delta if that makes sense. Alaska to Vegas.
14   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 19, 2:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I just took a trip on Spirit Airlines. I

And they nickel and dime you.

My wife joked that we had to pay another $50 if we wanted a pressurized cabin.
15   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 19, 2:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I was pleasantly surprised at the improved quality of meals and service on EVA on my trip to and from Hanoi in February during Tet.
16   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 19, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rootvg says
Regional jets for international? How can you carry enough fuel?


Simple. They fly for 4-5 hours. Land, you transfer at the airport to another gate for another 4-5 hour flight. Older 737-800s or similar each leg.

So instead of needing to fill a larger, more comfortable craft designed for a 8+ hour international flight, they simply connect two "Regions".

In my case, Miami ->Caribbean->South America vs. South America direct on a 747.

So you ride a standard 737, the same kind you'd ride Denver to Chicago, for 10 hours.
17   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 19, 3:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says

And they nickel and dime you.

My wife joked that we had to pay another $50 if we wanted a pressurized cabin.


I flew MIA -> PHL on AA. TIcket was $300. Get this: Not one checked luggage.

This was paid by my Job via their Travel Agent, so I'm sure they didn't overpay for this ticket.

And @Tenpoundbass, they didn't take cash to pay the $30 for the checked bag. First time I ever flew domestically for Work where at least one checked bag wasn't included.

$330 to fly to Philly with one checked bag on a weekday is hardly some big rock bottom bargain.

The real key is to get the Airlines out of all security entirely, all airport functioning entirely.

Oh, and there's a Fly America tax break for corporations, ANOTHER subsidy for the Socialist Airlines.
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 19, 3:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

On Spirit Airlines, it was actually more money to bring a carry on than to check it. $50 vs $65 or something. And yah, nickel and dimes. It may have been cheaper once everything was computed to fly a different airline with more amenities.
19   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 20, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've done the domestic majors and the discounts (Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, etc). Southwest wins for service and flexibility. Economy on any of these airlines is basically all the same (Spirit is pretty bad, but I knew that going in when I flew to San Diego and had a decent experience). Plus the perks with Southwest if you incorporate credit cards is impossible to beat as far as I know.

Haven't paid for a flight for a family of 4 in about 2-3 years (plus non-kid get aways). Plus the 2 free checked bags, carry on and personal items mean you could legit fly somewhere and camp for a couple of weeks making it a cheap ass trip if you wanted. I could bring 8 checked bags, 4 roller carry on and 4 backpacks, all for free.

I think the major airlines freaked out when they saw they could charge for checked bags. It's a race to the bottom and I think Southwest will only gain more market share, as I believe they already have been.

The open seating is my only beef, but haven't had to deal with it too much since I have a 6 year old. Once that changes though, we all board where our checkin assignment is. That could get interesting. I fly out of Chicago, so domestically and even Caribbean/Central America, I'm generally 4 hours or less from any destination I want to go to. One of the few perks of living in IL.
20   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 20, 7:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Real men own a plane or just charter.
Others are losers.

HonkpilledMaster says
Oh, and there's a Fly America tax break for corporations, ANOTHER subsidy for the Socialist Airlines.


They also got a massive tax break from Big Govt. Socialist Republicans.WookieMan says
One of the few perks of living in IL.


No one needs transportation, there is nothing to see in IL. ;-)
21   Expat01   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 21, 4:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LOL. Enjoy flying while you can, even if it's in the back of the plane with the poor people.
22   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 21, 6:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Expat01 says
LOL. Enjoy flying while you can, even if it's in the back of the plane with the poor people.


Fuck You, asshole!
23   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 21, 6:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
No one needs transportation, there is nothing to see in IL. ;-)


Truth. But that's why air transport is of the utmost importance, so I can get out of this place once a month or so.
24   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 21, 2:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Expat01 says
LOL. Enjoy flying while you can, even if it's in the back of the plane with the poor people.


So in America, the poor can afford to fly. Other countries are astonished enough that "poor" in America have cars.
25   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 21, 2:48pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Other countries are astonished enough that "poor" in America have cars.

And that they are so fat.
26   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 21, 6:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
HeadSet says
Other countries are astonished enough that "poor" in America have cars.

And that they are so fat.


It's because they work so hard doing back-breaking manual jobs and don't have time to go to the gym.

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