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H1-B and Green Cards: Americans FUCKED UP THE ASS By Globalists In Congress Again

By TrumpingTits following x   2019 Jul 10, 9:28pm 1,034 views   43 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


GOP legislators (140) voted for a bill drafted by business groups and Democrats which provides a green card giveaway to 300,000 Indian contract workers and dramatically increases the incentives for more Indian graduates to take college graduate jobs in the United States.
The 365- to-65 vote means the bill moves to the Senate, where GOP Senators are pushing a matching giveaway bill which is backed by Democrat Senator and presidential hopeful, Sen. Kamala Harris. Only 57 of 197 GOP legislators — and only eight Democrats — present voted against the giveaway.

The GOP’s House leader, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, voted for the giveaway to Indian outsourcing workers.

The bill also helps U.S. real-estate investors by extending the green-card giveaway to the Chinese leaders who use the EB-5 program to buy green cards for their families.

White House officials may also argue the bill has nothing to do with immigration and amnesties, but only deals with visa workers who are supposedly needed by high-tech companies. In practice, there is no shortage of high tech workers– only a shortage of CEOs and investors willing to spend the money needed to hire some of the many American professionals employed at other companies.

In the Senate, GOP leaders may choose to block the giveaway bill, in part, because it is being pushed by Sen. Kamala Harris, who may be the Democrats’ challenger in 2020.

The Democrats’ giveaway bill was also by a new wave of groups created by Americans who say their incomes have been slashed by companies’ use of the green card system to attract and pay cheap white-collar labor from India. During the last year, these professionals have organized into several groups, including the American Workers Coalition, doctorswithoutjobs.com, ProUSworkers, No on H.R. 1044, and The Multinational Coalition Against H.R. 1044/S. 386. In 2018, these American opponents of the green card giveaway bill helped defeat Kansas GOP Rep. Kevin Yoder, who supported a prior version of the legislation.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/10/kevin-mccarthy-140-gop-reps-vote-for-democrat-plan-to-outsource-jobs-to-indian-graduates/

Trump better veto this shit if it passes the Senate. That's all I have to say.

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1   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 10, 9:32pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fucking assholes can't wait to sell Americans down the river. I'm going to write to Trump to urge him to Veto this shit.

They might not block it in Senate, and try to claim Kamala Harris promoted outsourcing American jobs, but it'll really fuck Americans first.

Thanks for sharing TT, I'm writing letter to President right now.

300,000 visas. That's one for every thousand Americans, isn't that entire industry basically?
2   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 10, 11:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yep. The possibility of a political solution ever dwindles.
4   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 11, 12:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Continuing to vote for Republicans & Democrats is the only way to save America.
Two sides to a fools coin.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 11, 5:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There is actually only about 5 Republicans in Congress. I mean Trumpublicans. The Globalist Schill flavor is obsolete, they just don't know it yet, because they haven't been voted out of office. But make no mistake every Republican on Congress ran on claiming to be a Trumpublican.
6   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 6:26am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick - This, this is a much more impactful issue on GOOD wages (which I know you’ve mentioned in the past) I’d argue when compared to the illegal immigrant problem. These Indians will send cash back home at a much higher volume over all versus an illegal just based on the higher incomes they’ll get here. If they walk off the plane and will take $50k for what currently is a $70k job that is statistically a major shift. An American will be either laid off and out of a job completely or be forced to take a pay cut. Factor in cash going back to India and it’s probably a $25-30k hit to the American economy per job for these 300k people take. For good jobs. Less tax revenue and less cash being spent in America. More American cash being spent in India for Chinese products.

We tend to get caught up with the Southern border and those immigrants way too much. Yup, they broke laws, it’s crap they should be punished. But those jobs don’t move the economic needle for the most part. The minimum wage is a bigger issue for this level of income than who is holding those jobs. If you don’t have a job but want one, would you work for $5/hr? I think most people would and employers would take a risk hiring you because it’s low risk high reward if you end up a good employee. That employee also learns some sort of skill being employed. More people employed also makes finding people to work more scarce. Then employers have to offer more wages to attract new hires.

Again, I want to reiterate before the backlash I’m guessing I’ll receive. Illegal immigration should not be tolerated, at ALL. Based on our laws illegals SHOULD be deported. But they’re here and we’re in the leverage drivers seat so to speak. To waste that leverage to just throw them out seems wasted. Instead there’s current legislation that would result in lower wages for good jobs and a cash suck out of the country that will end up in China essentially and India. Mexican’s May sent low levels back to Mexico, but there’s a higher likelihood Mexico buys American products and services.

I know there are holes in what I’m saying, so no need to shred me since I’m admittedly not some economist. Just let me know what I’m wrong or off base on.
7   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 11, 7:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Not to mention the Indian is more poorly educated, and his education was far cheaper. He spent a few thousand total (at worst) versus tens of thousands.
8   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 11, 7:45am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yah Indian universities have got to be an utter joke. My wife has an Indian friend who has a doctorate in her science field, and flaunts this fact a lot. However, she’s clearly unqualified when it comes to actual academics. My wife was asked to edit her essay on a science subject, and showed it to me. Plenty of big words seeded throughout, but otherwise the grammar and organization was like a third grader had written it, and was followed by a “author bio” that was an entire single spaced page of awards and accomplishments she mostly gained through gaming the diversity system and felt everyone should know. Her essay was almost unreadable, though. My wife gave her a bunch of pointers, but declined to edit any more of her writing. Too much work, she’d need coauthor credit!
Oh and she came over because her husband is in IT.

Trump needs to veto this bullshit If he wants to win a second term. This is make or break.
McConnell knows this and his reaction will show whether he wants Trump again. I predict he will refuse to put this bill on the floor.
9   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 11, 7:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Agreed.

Politically it's great, since the Media will have to say "The Economy is so hot, we need the workers" vs. their attempts to Ignore the Great Gains under Trump.
10   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I predict he will refuse to put this bill on the floor.


Hopefully. This is far more damaging to real productive Americans and the economy. These are the jobs that need more focus and saving (or preventing wage reduction). The bottom is the bottom of wages and always will be. A 10% increase in wages for a $30k/yr job versus a 10% decrease in a $70k job matters. Far more damage to the economy occurs with the latter. Someone losing $7k and another gaining $3k (and still paying no taxes) it's a no brainer which is more important.
11   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 11, 8:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Yah Indian universities have got to be an utter joke.

Corruption. Rich person does not need to study and gets same or better grades than a poor person. And this is somehow perfectly acceptable culturally. Indians here also try to pull "Bombay Bazaar" type crap - they think that everything, including their grades (irrespective of performance) is negotiable.
12   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 11, 10:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Indians here also try to pull "Bombay Bazaar" type crap - they think that everything, including their grades (irrespective of performance) is negotiable.


I’m sure you know being in higher education.
They also seem to be super social climbers, need everyone to recognize them as elite status, better than you anyway. I surmise that this attitude comes from the caste system culture, where how you are born matters tremendously, and those who are born to higher castes just KNOW they are better than anyone lower caste or foreigners who are casteless and thus lowest caste in their minds.
And that’s just the Hindus. Don’t get me started on the Indian Muslims. I think if I had to pick an Indian culture for preference I’d go with the Sikhs. Not that I’m into turbans and beards, but their general outlook is otherwise very good, they’re monotheists, have a culture of self defense and self reliance, and take care of each other.
It’s a shame that they also get confused with Muslims by many Americans who aren’t very informed.
13   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 10:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
300,000 visas. That's one for every thousand Americans, isn't that entire industry basically?


They are not all evenly distributed. The 'lottery' is rigged, too.

But Trump put in his own people to run the agencies that administer these visas. And they have been changing how this shit goes down. One of the changes pending is to eliminate the lottery and use another system. The lottery was set up orginally by administrative fiat, not Congress. Which is why this bill is being pushed, I think. It references the lottery so I bet it codifies that is how it will be by the Will of Fucking Globalist Congress, thus preventing Trump from doing what I just said.

That's just a guess on my part, as I have not looked up the particulars. But it is a well-educated guess based upon who these congressional fuckers operate.
14   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 10:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hugolas_Madurez says
https://www.trackitt.com/member/AmericanGRAD


I never knew about OPT. Thanks!

HR 3564 eliminates the Optional Practical Training (OPT)
OPT is a jobs program that allows foreign F-1 (student) visa holders to get tax-free jobs for 1 or 3 years (STEM graduates) and remain in the U.S. indefinitely
OPT was created by regulation and expanded to meet the needs of Bill Gates and Big Tech. Congress never approved the OPT program.
American Grads are getting passed over for jobs because of OPT
OPT has grown 400% -- now bigger than H1B
Neither the employer nor F-1 visa holder pay FICA (Medicare & Social Security) taxes
Gives OPTs a 15.3% tax saving advantage over American grads
FICA (Medicare & Social Security) funds lose $2 billion each year due to OPT
No limit on the number of OPT work authorizations, No restrictions on where OPTs work
Americans are losing coveted college slots and scholarships to foreign students
Job ads with OPT and CPT only discriminating against Americans
15   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Trump needs to veto this bullshit If he wants to win a second term. This is make or break.


YOU and I might feel that way. But seriously, this is a 'edge case' issue as most Americans are not effected by this...just tech workers. That's how they will get away with this shit.

So yeah. This is not make or break. Esp since the media isn't talking about it.
16   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 11:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
McConnell knows this and his reaction will show whether he wants Trump again. I predict he will refuse to put this bill on the floor.


McConnell is going to do what is best for McConnell. Always.

The one bright silver lining in that characterization is that he will throw the Globalists under the bus if the political stars are aligned in such a way. But they are not.
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 11, 11:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
I want to reiterate before the backlash I’m guessing I’ll receive. Illegal immigration should not be tolerated, at ALL.

But H1-B and green cards are for LEGAL immigration, are they not?
Whatever you say about Indian universities, an Indian engineer is more educated than the average Joe Schmoe in middle America, even if they don't match American trained engineers. This is immigration of higher IQ individuals.

Also keep in mind American workers would have to compete against them even if they don't immigrate. Most likely if they don't come to American companies, American companies would go to them in India. Or Indian companies would get them, working on competing products.

Poor tech bros may complain about their salaries (really?), but flat wages means more growth for the American tech industry.
So?
Maybe instead we should complain we don't import more doctors too.
18   indc   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 11, 11:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
FortWayneIndiana says
300,000 visas. That's one for every thousand Americans, isn't that entire industry basically?


They are not all evenly distributed. The 'lottery' is rigged, too.

But Trump put in his own people to run the agencies that administer these visas. And they have been changing how this shit goes down. One of the changes pending is to eliminate the lottery and use another system. The lottery was set up orginally by administrative fiat, not Congress. Which is why this bill is being pushed, I think. It references the lottery so I bet it codifies that is how it will be by the Will of Fucking Globalist Congress, thus preventing Trump from doing what I just said.

That's just a guess on my part, as I have not looked up the particulars. But it is a well-educated guess based upon who these congressional fuckers operate.


People, people, people. Please know the difference between visa and a green card.
I don't know what other pork is in this bill but the green card rule is good for American worker.
Let me explain. Employer hires H1-B at 70K in 2010. Employee cannot go look for another job until they get a Green Card. This makes them slaves to the Employer and work for what ever pay they get.
With Green Card in their hand they can look for better paying jobs. And Employer have to offer this job to someone else with higher Pay.
So this will be against the globalist A-holes who want only low salaried drones.
19   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 11, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

it wont clear the Senate and Trump will not sign it.
20   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 11, 11:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump should start an under employed or un employed American Tech worker's registry.
Where names on that list has to be considered first over HB1 Visa hires.
21   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 11, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Maybe instead we should complain we don't import more doctors too.

We should import CEO's
22   indc   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 11, 12:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Heraclitusstudent says
Maybe instead we should complain we don't import more doctors too.

We should import CEO's


Why do you want to import CEOs when you can make some here by giving green cards to hard working people?
23   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 11, 12:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indc says
Why do you want to import CEOs when you can make some here by giving green cards to hard working people?


Same reason they want to give green cards to the hard working people from overseas instead of making engineers from hard working people here.
24   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 11, 1:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indc says
Please know the difference between visa and a green card....I don't know what other pork is in this bill but the green card rule is good for American worker.


No, they are not. Both increase supply of foreign workers to deliberately keep overall wages down for both foreign and domestic workers. Period.
25   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 11, 2:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

btw, for anyone who's curious, you can see lots of H1B salary info online, such as how much they get paid, when hired, what city, job title etc... I think this data must be public because a few sites seem to have the same data.

Here's one
https://h1bsalary.online

Some of the salaries are actually pretty high, but I think those must be very qualified employees. I have no doubt at all that the added supply depresses wages. *edit - I think employers are required to pay H1B's "prevailing wage", so no wonder salaries are high. But, it obviously depresses overall salaries.
26   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 11, 3:17pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
They also seem to be super social climbers, need everyone to recognize them as elite status, better than you anyway. I surmise that this attitude comes from the caste system culture, where how you are born matters tremendously, and those who are born to higher castes just KNOW they are better than anyone lower caste or foreigners who are casteless and thus lowest caste in their minds.

Also true. An Indian student from higher caste will treat other people like shit generally. Few Indians from lower castes (peasant) I knew were very hard-working and good human beings. However, most coming in are from higher castes for obvious reasons.
27   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 11, 3:21pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indc says

Why do you want to import CEOs when you can make some here by giving green cards to hard working people?

Because CEO's always bloviate about cutting costs by outsourcing or hiring underpaid H1 workers. We could cut costs of companies by importing low-paid CEO's, which would save tons of money for shareholders.
28   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 11, 3:24pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a giant "FUCK YOU" to American students. How the fuck are kids supposed to get jobs, when everything they learn constantly gets outsourced. And money goes overseas, so families overseas do better. But American families get fucked.

This is most fucked up shit ever, I know I'm just venting, but this is some fucked up shit that triggers me very very hard!
29   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 12, 7:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why haven't Rep/Cons put a stop to visas?
30   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Jul 12, 8:20am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A LARPER flamed me in the BB saying "Did you read it? This dovetails into Trump's America First strategy.

What a Moron, Trump better veto it.
31   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 12, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Why haven't Rep/Cons put a stop to visas?


Most -- especially in Congress -- are Globalist Fucks or Whores To Globalist Fucks, that's why.

This is why they hate Trump and work against him. It is only the fact that Trump's numbers in the GOP base on average are in the 80% range that they don't openly show the knives like they are doing now.

Actually, I think they think that Trump is with them on this. I wonder if Trump is setting them up so he can veto it and claim he's doing so because of RINOs fucking over America in league with Democrats fucking over America. We are about to see (provided this shit passes the Senate, which it probably will unless a Senator filibusters it).
32   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 12, 10:35am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pray for a filibuster, kiddies!

PRAY!
33   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 12, 11:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
WookieMan says
I want to reiterate before the backlash I’m guessing I’ll receive. Illegal immigration should not be tolerated, at ALL.

But H1-B and green cards are for LEGAL immigration, are they not?
Whatever you say about Indian universities, an Indian engineer is more educated than the average Joe Schmoe in middle America, even if they don't match American trained engineers. This is immigration of higher IQ individuals.


Yes I was cross posting from another thread addressing a post by Patrick regarding illegal immigration.

I'd totally disagree about the average Joe Schmoe in middle America though. Not sure if there's a specific engineering field you're addressing, but my wife works with tons of engineers. We've become friends with a lot of them and they're not just "client" friends. Most are Illinois and Wisconsin grads by me. They're intelligent people. The crew we hang with gets national awards and they're all local midwest guys and gals.

None are Indian. They take the lowest level jobs and are frankly frowned upon. Real world experience beats classroom education. India doesn't have the greatest infrastructure I imagine. But maybe you were talking about different engineering.
34   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 12, 12:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
an Indian engineer is more educated than the average Joe Schmoe in middle America


But not more educated or even the same as your average American engineer.
36   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 12, 2:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
WookieMan says
an Indian engineer is more educated than the average Joe Schmoe in middle America


But not more educated or even the same as your average American engineer.


And given the level of corruption in India who's to say he didn't outright buy his diploma?
37   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 12, 2:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hugolas_Madurez says
OccasionalCortex says
WookieMan says
an Indian engineer is more educated than the average Joe Schmoe in middle America


But not more educated or even the same as your average American engineer.


And given the level of corruption in India who's to say he didn't outright buy his diploma?


That's why you outright discard all diplomas from overseas, since today let's face it Diploma is not a sign of ability. Too fucking many participation trophies, and fake degrees from people who think having a piece of paper is more important than knowing how to do a job.
38   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 18, 8:07am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
This, this is a much more impactful issue on GOOD wages (which I know you’ve mentioned in the past) I’d argue when compared to the illegal immigrant problem. These Indians will send cash back home at a much higher volume over all versus an illegal just based on the higher incomes they’ll get here. If they walk off the plane and will take $50k for what currently is a $70k job that is statistically a major shift.


@WookieMan you're probably right. Those Indian low-level programmers are probably suppressing wages and sending back cash at higher dollar volumes than mere illegals.

Both are allowed here for the same reason though - to benefit employers at the expense of US workers.
39   mbSFBay   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 25, 9:39am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Just like any other Ethnic group or cohorts, there is average, below average, excellent and exceptional talent coming from India - following the normal distribution curve (Bell curve).

Now that some of the former H1-Bs are CEOs (the company stagnating with Ballmer is thriving with an Indian CEO) - folks with a racist bend will attribute that success to sheer luck and no talent - and feel that these folks are driving down CEO pay to depressing levels.

The progeny of these low level programmers have the Scripps spelling bee, National geography bee and Jeopardy Teen tournaments locked up pretty good (for those who follow such mindless activities that go on in the US of A).

The slum dwellers of India seem to now be locking on Talent contests out here (America's Got Talent, World of Dance).

Be dismissive of Indian talent at your own peril. American car companies were dismissive of Japanese Cars at some point.

Enjoy your beer, football, worship of sports stars and celebrities and keep denigrating other cultures as inferior to your own.
40   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 25, 5:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

So how many visas has Trump/Rep/Cons issued?
How many expired visa holders has the Republican filth deported?

It's simply amazing how a couple of brilliant questions can make Rep/Cons look like the fools that they are.

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