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"Not only did Exxon predict the rise in emissions, it also understood how severe the consequences would be."

By HEYYOU follow HEYYOU   2019 Jun 10, 1:39pm 534 views   24 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


"Despite this knowledge, the company chose not to change or adapt its business model. Instead, it chose to invest heavily in disinformation campaigns that promoted climate science denial, failing to disclose its knowledge that the majority of the world’s fossil fuel reserves must remain untapped in order to avert catastrophic climate change."

"In 2018, the United States alone experienced 14 different climate and weather-related disasters, each costing over a billion dollars."

One can bet that Rep/Cons will be begging for other hardworking Rep/Cons' tax dollars.

https://thinkprogress.org/exxon-predicted-high-carbon-emissions-954e514b0aa9/
1   Booger   ignore (5)   2019 Jun 10, 1:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fake news.
2   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Jun 10, 2:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

14 different climate and weather-related disasters

How subjective. So now any weather event is "climate related?" There were only 8 hurricanes in 2018 anyway, below average for the last 12 years or so.
3   CaltRightCrazy   ignore (5)   2019 Jun 10, 2:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Fake news.
Which facts aren't true?
4   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2019 Jun 10, 2:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
14 different climate and weather-related disasters

How subjective. So now any weather event is "climate related?" There were only 8 hurricanes in 2018 anyway, below average for the last 12 years or so.
Follow their linked explanation about what events were counted.

What part is subjective?

As the committee hearing demonstrated, the impacts of climate change are recognized by both Democrats and Republicans alike. During the hearing, Greg Walden (R-OR) held up a jar filled with ash, stating that it showed what a “post-fire wildlife habitat” looks like: “It’s nothing but ash and the destruction of habitat.”

Climate change made natural disasters more intense last year. Image via NOAA.
CLIMATE CHANGE MADE NATURAL DISASTERS MORE INTENSE LAST YEAR. IMAGE VIA NOAA.
It wasn’t just hurricanes and wildfires, however, that broke records last year. As NOAA’s data notes, a 24-hour period of intense rainfall in April 2018 on the Hawaiian island of Kauai reaped 49.69 inches of rainfall. “This is the largest verified amount of precipitation observed in 24 hours in the United States,” NOAA stated.

The data also put last year’s devastating events in a historical context. In total, there have been 241 billion-dollar weather and climate disasters since 1980, NOAA revealed. The total cost for all of these exceeds $1.6 trillion.

Over the past 30 years, the average number of these costly events used to be 6.2 per year. During the past five years, the annual average was double that amount.

And as other data released by NOAA and NASA on Wednesday showed, this uptick in billion-dollar climate disasters comes at the same time as record warming; 2018 was the fourth warmest year on record behind 2016, 2015, and 2017.


5   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2019 Jun 10, 2:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Fake news.
Got oil stocks?
6   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Jun 10, 2:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So what do you want to actual DO about it? How about:

1. Limit immigration from third world to first world to allow the stabilized first world populations to be supported by conservation, efficiency and sustainable energy.
2. Heavily tariff or otherwise restrict imports from nations that not have environmental laws similar to the US. It does no good to ban coal here yet ship it to China.

These two would have the most impact on curtailing pollution, resource depletion, and "carbon." We could also add closing most businesses at night, curtail wasteful overnight deliveries, use deposit bottles, use clothelines, $2/gallon gas tax, and so on.
7   RC2006   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 2:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Stopping migration overflow and thus slowing/declining third world growth would have the biggest impact. First World countries should be aloud to slowly decrease their populations until they level off, third world will follow.
8   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 Jun 10, 2:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The book on the oil companies purchase of fake science to counter obvious evidence of anthropomorphic weather shift was The Heat is On, came out in the 1990s and had research reaching back to the 1960s pointing to weather shifting to extremes as well as warming - all of which are facts of life now. Five-hundred year storms happen every year now. The oil companies had enough confidence in the science that they developed a strategy and budget to buy their own 'research.' The first president to review reseach speaking to global climate shift as a rigorous report and analysis to the executive was Nixon and I wonder what part of that research may have influenced his establishment of the EPA.
9   socal2   ignore (1)   2019 Jun 10, 2:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If this is really a "War" and we only have 12 years left to save humanity - we better get busy bombing the shit out of dirty Chinese and Indian coal and oil power plants.

Everything else is background noise.
10   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Jun 10, 3:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Five-hundred year storms happen every year now.

So, what do you want to do about it? Keep reverting back to "AGW" is real, deniers are evil" does not fix anything.
11   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 3:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Must be summer again.
12   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 3:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
"In 2018, the United States alone experienced 14 different climate and weather-related disasters, each costing over a billion dollars."


Yeah, so. That's weather. There is ZERO proof that any of it was caused by Exxon. ZERO.

You know? That thing called 'proof'?
13   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2019 Jun 10, 3:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Keep reverting back to "AGW" is real, deniers are evil" does not fix anything.
That's exactly what the fake science is there to do. Turn a fact like tobacco and disease into a debate, so nothing can happen except lots of sales.
14   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 3:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
As the committee hearing demonstrated, the impacts of climate change are recognized by both Democrats and Republicans alike. During the hearing, Greg Walden (R-OR) held up a jar filled with ash, stating that it showed what a “post-fire wildlife habitat” looks like: “It’s nothing but ash and the destruction of habitat.”

So? how is political theatre constitute a proven fact?

PROVE Exxon was responsible for the weather and the damage it created. PROVE IT.

PROVE emission gases/particulates A produced by Exxon caused weather damage B.

FUCKING prove it.

MAGA_BOMBER says
Over the past 30 years, the average number of these costly events used to be 6.2 per year. During the past five years, the annual average was double that amount.

And as other data released by NOAA and NASA on Wednesday showed, this uptick in billion-dollar climate disasters comes at the same time as record warming; 2018 was the fourth warmest year on record behind 2016, 2015, and 2017.


That's not proof that Exxon caused anything.

You can't prove anything.
15   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 4:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
Over the past 30 years, the average number of these costly events used to be 6.2 per year. During the past five years, the annual average was double that amount

A billion dollars used to be real money. Now they can't even build a freeway overpass for that.
16   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 Jun 10, 4:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
That's exactly what the fake science is there to do. Turn a fact like tobacco and disease into a debate, so nothing can happen except lots of sales.


Right. The Intelligent Design crowed were at least honest enough to admit the way to achieving the pretense of legitimacy was 'selling the controversy.'
17   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (6)   2019 Jun 10, 4:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
You can't prove anything.
I don't need to because FUCKING scientists are there to make the FUCKING connection, unless you are vulnerable to being a FUCKING sucker.

The issue has FUCKING BEEN IN COURT ALREADY

Just like FUCKING smoking, the FUCKING oil companies in court, WOULD NOT FUCKING deny AGW.

Did you FUCKING know that?

What they FUCKING did was say that no one put a FUCKING gun to your FUCKING head to make you burn that FUCKING gasoline, they merely FUCKING sold it to you.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

You can't make a FUCKING argument against the OP
18   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2019 Jun 10, 6:42pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Stupids attempt to be clever about their denial.
Let's see if they can be as clever about chemical pollution of the earth,air & water.
This should triggers them as they point the barrel at their temple.
What's sad is that they know nothing about what they are consuming & feeding their children.
They don't know what they are touching.
I care little about how many Rep/Cons get sick & DIE DUMB!

"More than 90% of receipts contain dangerous chemicals linked to infertility, autism and type 2 diabetes, study reveals"

"Previous studies suggest BPS can be found in the urine of 81 percent of people living in the US, of which 90 percent can be traced to receipts."

Wonder if EXXON owns any paper in companies that produce BPA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5283061/More-90-receipts-contain-dangerous-chemicals.html
19   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2019 Jun 10, 7:06pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

"Forever chemicals have infiltrated water across 43 states nationwide, impacting the drinking supply of about 19 million Americans."

Drink up my lovelies.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/forever-chemicals-food-pfas_l_5cfa7d79e4b0c7edd0b6591e
20   Booger   ignore (5)   2019 Jun 10, 7:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
Booger says
Fake news.
Got oil stocks?


I was meaning to ask if I should buy any XOM stock.
21   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 10, 8:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
AGW

You mean climate change. The earth stopped warming a couple years ago.
22   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Jun 11, 7:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
HeadSet says
Keep reverting back to "AGW" is real, deniers are evil" does not fix anything.
That's exactly what the fake science is there to do. Turn a fact like tobacco and disease into a debate, so nothing can happen except lots of sales.


It is the AGW crowd that wants the debate rather than talk solutions. What solutions are available?
23   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 11, 7:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
What solutions are available?

Green new deal or death in a decade!
24   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Jun 11, 12:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
I don't need to because FUCKING scientists are there to make the FUCKING connection,

WHAT connection? Show me PROOF form ANYONE who proves that emissions A caused weather damage B.

SHOW ME.

Just like FUCKING smoking

YES. Person A smoking Cigarette Company Bs cancer sticks getting Cancer C is exactly the chain-of-evidence that is a great example of what I demand you provide for proving a particular company particular emissions caused particular weather damage as a result.

The "proof = whatever I think is 'bad people'" bullshit doesn't cut it, pal.

SHOW ME THE FUCKING PROOF! Not this illogical bullshit of yours that just bit you in the ass with 'examples' you yourself provided that proves my point!

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