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"The gun debate would change in an instant if Americans witnessed the horrors that trauma surgeons confront every day."

By HEYYOU following x   2018 Feb 18, 11:36am 4,032 views   124 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


No matter how devastating the damage from bullets may be to Republicans
& their loved ones, 2nd Amendment! U.S.A.! 2nd Amendment! U.S.A.! 2nd Amendment! U.S.A.!

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85   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
Its entirely insufficient. When one registers under the National Firearms Act, they are fingerprinted, and subjected to a legitimate background check where usually someone comes to your town to verify what you said. Most importantly, a county sheriff or someone equivalent must personally sign off on your application, and if they take their job seriously, they likely are going to call you in for a sit down interview which is usually pretty good at excluding psychotic individuals like most of the guys in question.

So again, if the objective is to stop the mass killings while keeping arms legal under the second amendment, how about we add these weapons to those that must be registered under the National Firearms Act?


Please point to us where it states, under the Constitution, and specifically under the 2nd, that a lawful US citizen is required to undergo all that for a basic right to self defense?

Liberals want to continually "move the goal posts" to suit their socialistic goals.
86   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says

Please point to us where it states, under the Constitution, and specifically under the 2nd, that a lawful US citizen is required to undergo all that for a basic right to self defense?


Sure thing. It was decided as such in US V. Miller

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/307/174

This case was a direct challenge to the NFA as being violative of our inalienable rights under the 2nd. SCOTUS disagreed and this has been the law of the land since before you or I were born.
87   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 9:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Because registration has been used by dictatorial regimes before as a means of confiscation (see Germany 1937, Philippines 1973, etc).


Fair enough, but we have been under this regime right here in the united states since 1934.

Goran_K says

Also, you can engage in better background checks (which I agree with), but in the case of Cruz, there were clear signs and warnings that the FBI missed or didn't act upon. We should fix those breakdowns in process since it's a lot easier than rewriting the entire background check process.


We don't have to rewrite the background check process. We have an enhanced standard since 1934 under the NFA, and we have the "normal" standard which you and I go through when we pick up a new 22 at our local cabelas. I argue that under the enhanced standard (most particularly your in person interview with the sheriff) guys like Cruz which for years went undetected will then be detected and their permits denied.
88   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 22, 10:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Living Like Michael Moore Kills 20x More Americans Every Year Than Guns
89   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 22, 10:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Reminder: 'nikolas cruz' used that username on instagram, youtube, and other social media. The direct links to his posts were sent to the FBI at least one, some are saying up to 3, times.

The FBI claimed they couldn't identify cruz. How many "Nikolas Cruz" are there in Broward County?

Other info: His ex-girlfriend said she told authorities about his school shooting threats, as did other kids.

Love to Watch the Media try to transform the Villain from the Shooter and the Pre-warned Authorities to Gun Owners and of course, ORANGE DRUMPF!
90   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 22, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding."

" One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. There was nothing left to repair, and utterly, devastatingly, nothing that could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal."

" The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine cartridge with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading."

What a wonderful future Republicans victims of the next mass shooting have to look forward to.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/?utm_source=atlfb

" The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat travelling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

Assault weapon owners should just consider themselves Captain of the ship.
91   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 22, 11:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
We don't have to rewrite the background check process. We have an enhanced standard since 1934 under the NFA, and we have the "normal" standard which you and I go through when we pick up a new 22 at our local cabelas. I argue that under the enhanced standard (most particularly your in person interview with the sheriff) guys like Cruz which for years went undetected will then be detected and their permits denied.


I've actually gone through the tax stamp process (I'm guessing you have too?). I'm waiting here on 9 months for my stamp so I can put a can on my rifle. I'm also thinking of buying a Class III NFA item, that will probably take another 12-14 months. When someone needs self protection, they can't afford to wait 9-14 months. I think that's an unreasonable burden.

anon_24e57 says
Fair enough, but we have been under this regime right here in the united states since 1934.


It also hasn't significantly reduced gun crime by any statistical study, and the NRA has tried to repeal parts of it (including removing items like suppressors from the list).
92   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 10:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
I've actually gone through the tax stamp process (I'm guessing you have too?). I'm waiting here on 9 months for my stamp so I can put a can on my rifle. I'm also thinking of buying a Class III NFA item, that will probably take another 12-14 months. When someone needs self protection, they can't afford to wait 9-14 months. I think that's an unreasonable burden.


Yes, I deal with Class III mostly as part of a larger transaction I am working on. For what its worth, you can expedite the request and move up the timeline if you can show imminent harm of waiting that long.

Either way, remember I am not advocating for any change to the ordinary semi auto handguns, shotguns, bolt action rifles, etc. that 99% of people use for self protection. So you can still get all these the same day at your local Cabelas. Its only the AR variants I am talking about moving up the chain.

Goran_K says
It also hasn't significantly reduced gun crime by any statistical study, and the NRA has tried to repeal parts of it (including removing items like suppressors from the list).


You will note however, that since 1934, the number of attacks using things like fully automatic weapons, claymore mines, etc. is now close to zero. My question is thus, if we move the AR into this class, will we see the same sort of reduction as they become less and less available like the fully auto stuff which is now essentially collectors items? I think its certainly an interesting and potentially workable proposal to consider while balancing the rights of lawful citizens.
93   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 23, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
if we move the AR into this class,


What about the other 300+ versions of semi-auto rifles. You want to move them too?

How about semi-auto pistols? Going to put them in too?? After all, the Virginia Tech shooting was all handgun, no rifle.
94   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 12:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
Yes, I deal with Class III mostly as part of a larger transaction I am working on. For what its worth, you can expedite the request and move up the timeline if you can show imminent harm of waiting that long.

Either way, remember I am not advocating for any change to the ordinary semi auto handguns, shotguns, bolt action rifles, etc. that 99% of people use for self protection. So you can still get all these the same day at your local Cabelas. Its only the AR variants I am talking about moving up the chain.



That just seems arbituary. What about FALS? SKS? AKM variants? Why the AR15 specifically?

Deaths due to "fully auto" Tommy Guns was never a large percentage of gun deaths in the first place, just like AR15's are a small percentage of weapons used in gun deaths today (handguns are the primary gun killer both during prohibition and in the current day).

So if your primary focus is to "prevent gun deaths" why not just ask to move handguns into the NFA?
95   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
anon_24e57 says
if we move the AR into this class,


What about the other 300+ versions of semi-auto rifles. You want to move them too?

No. That would violate the 2nd and I think unnecessary

Sniper says

How about semi-auto pistols? Going to put them in too?? After all, the Virginia Tech shooting was all handgun, no rifle.


No. While no one will ever admit this, but if anyone is that skilled with a handgun (and or the response was incompetent) all you can do is shrug your shoulders and move on.
96   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
That just seems arbituary. What about FALS? SKS? AKM variants? Why the AR15 specifically?


It is somewhat arbitrary. I think its a good a point as any as it currently is very fetishized by the people who want to commit these spectacular events.

Goran_K says
Deaths due to "fully auto" Tommy Guns was never a large percentage of gun deaths in the first place, just like AR15's are a small percentage of weapons used in gun deaths today (handguns are the primary gun killer both during prohibition and in the current day).


Agreed.

Goran_K says

So if your primary focus is to "prevent gun deaths" why not just ask to move handguns into the NFA?


Its a misnomer to say this will do much for "gun deaths". Over the last however many years, the public has gotten very used to the everyday homicide which is 99.9% of the gun deaths out there. The real issue is these random attacks which are designed to inflict maximum lethality which cause 0.1% of gun deaths, but 90% plus of the anxiety which people feel.

Remember, the issue (or complaint) from Sniper was the "liberals offer no solutions just talking points". So I took up the challenge and offered a very specific solution so see if we really could get some element of compromise from Sniper (and now yourself). I think if you look at this, it will be a good solution to offer the balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of society. Thus, I am curious to see if you guys or anyone in the patnet community agrees.
97   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
anon_61c8a says
At the very least, people should need to buy insurance to own guns. Every time one of these shootings happens, the victim should be able to sue the insurance agency, and the true costs of ownership should be put on the users. The insurance agencies could come up with algorithms to figure out what to charge the wannabe John Wayne types.


Thanks, that is the best suggestion I've heard yet!


As a gun owner, that's actually not a bad idea. However, this insurance would need to be hella cheap, since we're already price gouged on auto, home and health insurance.

I do know conceal carry organizations offer insurance for protection.
98   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anon_24e57 says

Remember, the issue (or complaint) from Sniper was the "liberals offer no solutions just talking points". So I took up the challenge and offered a very specific solution so see if we really could get some element of compromise from Sniper (and now yourself). I think if you look at this, it will be a good solution to offer the balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of society. Thus, I am curious to see if you guys or anyone in the patnet community agrees.


Well I think he's talking about far left democrats who would love to repeal 2A outright.

As for balancing the rights of individuals and the safety of society, I think CCW reciprocity could help create a great deterrent to "mass shooters". We've already seen that the only armed cop on the scene during the shooting actually cowered in fear. But if there had been 4-5 individuals capable of firing back and had engaged the shooter, MAYBE, he would not have been as lethal.

How many mass shootings do we see in Israel?
99   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 3:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
but 90% plus of the anxiety which people feel.


So now we are going to ban guns based on "anxiety"?

Where is that written in the 2nd?

anon_24e57 says
I think if you look at this, it will be a good solution to offer the balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of society.


That would be incorrect, because:

Sniper says
What about the other 300+ versions of semi-auto rifles. You want to move them too?


A deranged killer would just get one of those other 300 semi-auto rifles for his killing spree.

IT'S NOT THE GUN, IT'S THE PERSON.

anon_24e57 says
Thus, I am curious to see if you guys or anyone in the patnet community agrees.


The lack of agreement was just presented.
100   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 6:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

seroius question - why do we allow the ATF to draw the line between the easy to get vs hard to get arms?

A purist should be here arguing that we need to have easy access to Tommy guns like we did in 1934.

Or argue they are all capable of killing, therefore all guns should be subject to the ATF requirements for a LEO to sign off on gun ownership as they do for fully automatic weapons & explosives.
101   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 8:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says


ITS NOT THE GUN, IT'S THE PERSON.


I used to think that too, but it's not that simple. If the deranged guy had a nuke this conversation couldn't happen. If he had a few RPG's he takes out the few hundred before we stop him. If he has a handful of derringers he probably killed two before being taken out.

The term you are going to hear more and more in the next 10 years is "maximum lethality" - what tools are relatively easy to obtain for the deranged to inflict maximum lethality? Our easy access to Rockets ended about 150 years ago. Our easy access to fully automatic weapons ended in the 30s. Semi autos Will likely always be pretty freely available, but a few of the more modifiable platforms are in trouble. Same goes for drum magazines and similar mods which allow for long periods between reloading.
102   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
anon_24e57 says
if we move the AR into this class,


What about the other 300+ versions of semi-auto rifles. You want to move them too?

How about semi-auto pistols? Going to put them in too?? After all, the Virginia Tech shooting was all handgun, no rifle.


Wow great suggestion Sniper, now it sounds like we are getting somewhere.
103   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

That just seems arbituary. What about FALS? SKS? AKM variants? Why the AR15 specifically?

Yes agreed those should be included along with the AR-15, great suggestion.
104   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 24, 9:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"It would be ABSOLUTE TYRANNY to have a security guard at a gatehouse and not let visitors in without an ID. Everybody with a disassembled AR-15 in their backpack should be FREE to enter schools they're not a part of anytime, at a whim, or FREEDOM HAS NO MEANING. What is this, JUDGE DREDD?"

"It is NO BIG DEAL to repeal the entire 2nd AMENDMENT. Totally reasonable to forbid all firearms, you BLACK HELICOPTER PARANOIDS!"
105   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 3:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_06ed3 says
The term you are going to hear more and more in the next 10 years is "maximum lethality" - what tools are relatively easy to obtain for the deranged to inflict maximum lethality?


yes, semi-auto rifles were just invented the last few years, that's why they are the weapon of choice for these deranged nutcases.

Oh wait, semi-autos have been around for multiple decades, so why the problem recently and what's changed?
106   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 24, 3:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
yes, semi-auto rifles were just invented the last few years, that's why they are the weapon of choice for these deranged nutcases.

Oh wait, semi-autos have been around for multiple decades, so why the problem recently and what's changed?

Facts
107   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 25, 7:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
yes, semi-auto rifles were just invented the last few years, that's why they are the weapon of choice for these deranged nutcases.

Oh wait, semi-autos have been around for multiple decades, so why the problem recently and what's changed?


Why would anyone care when they were invented?
108   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 11:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says


Oh wait, semi-autos have been around for multiple decades, so why the problem recently and what's changed?


You may have noticed that in the last 20 years or so, some of the deranged, were no longer satisfied with being outcasts so they decided to commit spectacular mass murders and determined the semi auto was the best tool they could get their hands on for the job.
109   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 25, 11:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

There is an insightful article on Quora in which a Marine turned teacher explains how the current victimhood culture itself may unintentionally create these mass shooters:

...schoolyard fights are common, even normal form of social interaction for boys. In many ways, they are necessary to create an ordered hierarchy, establish norms, set ideals, and importantly, provide a vehicle for boys to climb the hierarchy. So that I am not taken out of context, schoolyard fighting is in no way the same as the violence that is the subject of this question. They are categorically different. The fighting among boys was not intended to cause permanent physical injury or death. It is a simple non-lethal duel by two unarmed combatants until one of them gives up. The fighting provided a means for all boys to attain respect across the local microculture, even those at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy, so long as they proved to the collective that they were willing to take their lumps.

Victimhood culture disrupts this process and is contrary to honor cultures. Both are reactionary when slighted, but honor cultures seek to handle matters personally without intervention of third-party authority. With victimhood culture, third-party intervention is the goal. In this way, one playing by the rules of a victimhood culture can undermine the entire adolescent male dominance hierarchy, disrupting its ability to socialize males, preventing the establishment of positive male ideals, and removing a means for the boys at the bottom to rise to a healthy middle.

The last element is important for the subject of school shooters. Without the normal processes of restitution, such as fighting, boys at the bottom of the school’s dominance hierarchy may have no means to gain respect in their local community, relegating them to the bottom of a very brutal hierarchy for a very long time during many of their formative years. In this way, the banned behavior of schoolyard “violence” may actually be what immunizes boys from murderousness later in life.


https://www.quora.com/Why-do-almost-all-of-the-many-school-shooters-mass-shooters-fit-the-profile-of-young-and-socially-dysfunctional-male/answer/Jon-Davis-10
via https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-broken-culture-that-breeds-mass-murderers/

Again, I think that whenever you hear the words "zero tolerance", you can be sure that the bigger problem is with the people proposing utterly intolerant and unreasonable policies to protect their own jobs. They have announced that they have closed themselves off to reason, debate, and just consideration of the circumstances. They may think they are helping, but are actually making the situation much worse.
110   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 12:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
anon_cf6c6 says
yes, semi-auto rifles were just invented the last few years, that's why they are the weapon of choice for these deranged nutcases.

Oh wait, semi-autos have been around for multiple decades, so why the problem recently and what's changed?


Why would anyone care when they were invented?


To show it's NOT a gun problem.

anon_e7f7d says
You may have noticed that in the last 20 years or so, some of the deranged, were no longer satisfied with being outcasts so they decided to commit spectacular mass murders and determined the semi auto was the best tool they could get their hands on for the job.


So, you're admitting that it IS the deranged individual and NOT the gun.

Finally!
111   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says


So, you're admitting that it IS the deranged individual and NOT the gun.

Finally!


I said as much in post 101. If the deranged guy had easy access to nukes we would all be dead now. If he had easy access to rpgs only a few hundred dead. Instead he only has easy access to semi autos so the deaths are in the 20-50 range. If he only had easy access to derringers he kills 2-3 max.
112   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

If it helps - I do feel bad for the 99% of AR enthusiasts who will be inconvenienced by more rigorous registration. But people got over the restricted access to the fully auto stuff we used to get. In time they will adjust to this too.
113   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 25, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_e7f7d says
If he only had easy access to derringers he kills 2-3 max.


But he still kills people.


Now there's reports he called LEOs on himself. What does a mentally ill kid have to do to get help?
114   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_e7f7d says
If he only had easy access to derringers he kills 2-3 max.


"if"

What "if" he had access to a Home Depot truck when the kids were let out at the end of the school day?

At least 8 dead, 11 injured in truck rampage on lower Manhattan bike path
http://pix11.com/2017/10/31/multiple-people-reportedly-hit-be-vehicle-in-lower-manhattan/

Or maybe "if" he had a box truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil:

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist who perpetrated the Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people and injured over 680 others
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Or, if he just took a kitchen knife from his home:

At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

Or, "if" he just mixed up a batch of Kool-Aid for the kids to drink:

Jones subsequently committed a mass murder-suicide of 918 of his followers. Nearly three hundred children were murdered, almost all of them by cyanide poisoning via a Flavor Aid and Kool-Aid mix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones


So, Yes, if we only restricted firearms to derringers, just think how many LESS mass murders would happen, right?
115   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
anon_e7f7d says
If he only had easy access to derringers he kills 2-3 max.


But he still kills people.


Now there's reports he called LEOs on himself. What does a mentally ill kid have to do to get help?


Yep. Even with a easy access handgun you will still sometimes see double digit deaths, but it's a balancing act and probably too high a burden to subject glock owners to lengthy registration.

Not sure how the kid would get help but if he did call LEOs presumably they have a record of that (hopefully a name or phone number) so when they see his name pop up again when the chief LEO must sign off on his application to own a AR he at least is denied his preferred tool for mass casualties
116   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says


href="/post/1313898&offset=#comment-1486421">anon_e7f7d says


"if"



Don't stop there. Add in the guy who killed 27 with sleeping pills during the Hale Bopp comet. Or the guys who crashed planes killing thousands on 9/11

A novel psycho will find another tool which may do far more than any Semi auto ever could - but notice how (with one exception) each of there are one off attacks where there is no simple solution to the problem. Or in the case of McVeigh and 9/11 we restricted people's access to Amonium Nitrate and planes and have yet to see a repeat of the problem. We have had several high profile mass attacks with guns but no changes in the law so they continue to happen.

Note I said one exception because if more restrictions are placed on arms, I predict more "truck of peace" attacks will be the new en vogue tool for the deranged. Free access to Autos are so useful for so many things - I feel sorry for whoever has to figure out what sort of easy fix exists for that problem.
117   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 8:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_e7f7d says
Note I said one exception because if more restrictions are placed on arms, I predict more "truck of peace" attacks will be the new en vogue tool for the deranged.


Like over in the EU? Trucks are the weapons of choice since firearms are banned. How many truck attacks have there been?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/timeline-vehicle-terror-attacks-europe/

Yep, banning of firearms stops all mass murders from doing their bad deeds, right?

Oh, wait.
118   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 8:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_e7f7d says
Even with a easy access handgun you will still sometimes see double digit deaths, but it's a balancing act and probably too high a burden to subject glock owners to lengthy registration.


Most handguns are already subject to registrations (except in the 'hood of Chicago).

There are over 6000 handgun homicides and 300 rifle homicides (all rifles), but AR-15s should be banned since they're the rifle of choice in these killings?

Liberal Logic at it's best!
119   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 7:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says

Most handguns are already subject to registrations (except in the 'hood of Chicago).

There are over 6000 handgun homicides and 300 rifle homicides (all rifles), but AR-15s should be banned since they're the rifle of choice in these killings?


Obviously. Every death is one too many.

An AR-15 has no purpose other than killing humans as quickly as possible. Why does anyone need one?
120   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
anon_cf6c6 says

Most handguns are already subject to registrations (except in the 'hood of Chicago).

There are over 6000 handgun homicides and 300 rifle homicides (all rifles), but AR-15s should be banned since they're the rifle of choice in these killings?


Obviously. Every death is one too many.

An AR-15 has no purpose other than killing humans as quickly as possible. Why does anyone need one?


So, handguns kill 20x times as many people versus AR15s, but you're still railing on the minority item, instead of where the real problem lies. One of those biggest killing fields with handguns is right in your backyard of Shitcago.

More Liberal Logic at it's best.
121   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 26, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Cruz pleaded in childlike voice to be taken 'somewhere' to police around Thanksgiving.

Unidentified woman called authorities and specifically said he could shoot up a school in Early February.

Nobody did jack shit.
https://archive.fo/e6FNi

We must immediately revamp the forcible hospitalization laws to allow police to take up people in these circumstances right away.
122   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 9:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
So, handguns kill 20x times as many people versus AR15s, but you're still railing on the minority item, instead of where the real problem lies. One of those biggest killing fields with handguns is right in your backyard of Shitcago.

More Liberal Logic at it's best.


Nope--as has been said numerous times, let's focus on both problems.

Any reason why you think we can't?
123   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 12:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
Nope--as has been said numerous times, let's focus on both problems.

Any reason why you think we can't?


I'm still waiting for your list of "Common Sense Gun Laws" that you're proposing that these criminals will obey, since they DON'T obey the current 20,000 laws on the books now.

When can we expect that list?
124   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
Nope--as has been said numerous times, let's focus on both problems.

Any reason why you think we can't?


How about law enforcement focus on enforcing CURRENT laws, aren't there enough current laws in Shitcago that says you can't shoot and kill a person?

Same thing with the Florida shooting, the shooter broke numerous CURRENT laws and committed multiple felonies in the past, but the local law enforcement decided not to charge him and enforce the current laws. Result, there are 17 DEAD kids and many more injured due to the FAILURE of cops and FBI.

So tell us, what NEW laws do we need that the cops will enforce, since they can't seem to enforce EXISTING ones, which allowed a KNOWN deranged idiot to kill a bunch of people.

What's the solution?

Ban an inanimate object known as a AR15's, right?

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