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Tuvalu gains land mass

By TwoScoopsOfWompWomp following x   2018 Feb 9, 5:20pm 1,567 views   49 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

A University of Auckland study examined changes in the geography of Tuvalu's nine atolls and 101 reef islands between 1971 and 2014, using aerial photographs and satellite imagery.

It found eight of the atolls and almost three-quarters of the islands grew during the study period, lifting Tuvalu's total land area by 2.9 percent, even though sea levels in the country rose at twice the global average.


Co-author Paul Kench said the research, published Friday in the journal Nature Communications, challenged the assumption that low-lying island nations would be swamped as the sea rose.

"We tend to think of Pacific atolls as static landforms that will simply be inundated as sea levels rise, but there is growing evidence these islands are geologically dynamic and are constantly changing," he said.

"The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion, not erosion."

It found factors such as wave patterns and sediment dumped by storms could offset the erosion caused by rising water levels.




Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html#jCp

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1   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 5:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Darn, another sure fire Global Warming panic that requires hand waving revision.
2   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:01pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.


How about discussing the Solomons, Maldives, Marshells, Micronesia, Nauru, etc.. where islands have already disappeared.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/09/new-study-finds-8-islands-swallowed-by-rising-sea-level/#70ed057d5283
3   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 10, 3:56pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Because Tuvalu was the poster child for alarmists for decades
4   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 10, 4:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

anon_cb975 says
Because Tuvalu was the poster child for alarmists for decades


Yes, there is a unique set of circumstances that are causing Tuvalu to grow as fast or slightly faster than the current rise in sea level. Unfortunately it isn't the case on other islands.
5   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 10, 7:11pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

bob2356 says
How about discussing the Solomons, Maldives, Marshells, Micronesia, Nauru, etc.. where islands have already disappeared.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/09/new-study-finds-8-islands-swallowed-by-rising-sea-level/#70ed057d5283


Lets see, what do we know:

....."At least eight low-lying islands in the Pacific Ocean have disappeared under rising seas.

Sea levels are currently climbing by an average of 3 millimetres per year around the world due to climate change. But they are creeping up even faster in the western Pacific, where a natural trade wind cycle has caused an extra build-up of water over the last half-century."


Oh crap, the water rise and islands disappearing ISN'T from Global Warming, oops, Climate Change, it's from the WIND! and erosion.

and why did those islands disappear, you ask?

Lost to the waves

Pohnpei shows surprisingly little coastal erosion, probably because it is relatively high above sea level and ringed by mangrove forest, says Nunn. “Mangroves provide a buffer by absorbing wave energy and trapping sediment,” he says.

Three small islands on the west side are also well-preserved, possibly because they are sheltered from strong winds and waves by the main island, says Nunn. A nearby coral atoll – Ant Atoll – also has very little erosion, which is probably because an adjacent lagoon acts like a sediment trap.

However, several of the other low-lying reef islands – mostly to the south of the main island – have shrunk considerably.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2146594-eight-low-lying-pacific-islands-swallowed-whole-by-rising-seas/
Oh, so these "islands" that were really reefs got worn down by wind, waves and erosion, NOT Climate Change!

Crap, another good alarmist story debunked.
7   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 10, 7:43pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I'll worry when I can't see their tits any more.
8   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 10, 8:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_fd7ee says
Ceffer says
I'll worry when I can't see their tits any more.


I would worry if I can't see their pussy anymore.


Strategist.
9   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 10, 8:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says
I'll worry when I can't see their tits any more.


I would worry if I can't see their pussy anymore.
10   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 10, 9:05pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
the current rise in sea level.

So how much has the water risen?
Last time I was in Manhattan my feet stayed dry.
11   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 12:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

No one has been able to show me a picture where an island has been submerged due to rising sea level. No one has ever been able to even show me rising sea level in pictures.

I am open to the possibility that sea levels change, but for all the hype, there isn’t even a hint of proof. To me, it is inconclusive that there has been any measuresble rise over the last hundred years.
12   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 12:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_fd7ee says
I would worry if I can't see their pussy anymore.


Everybody has a different threshold.
13   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 6:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Onvacation says
So how much has the water risen?
Last time I was in Manhattan my feet stayed dry.
Malcolm says
No one has been able to show me a picture where an island has been submerged due to rising sea level. No one has ever been able to even show me rising sea level in pictures.

I am open to the possibility that sea levels change, but for all the hype, there isn’t even a hint of proof. To me, it is inconclusive that there has been any measuresble rise over the last hundred years.


Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?
14   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 11, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?

Who does google work for?
15   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 11, 9:21am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?


I missed those pictures from your Forbes link above showing the before and after of the 8 disappearing islands from global warming. Can you please repost them?
16   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 11, 11:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

When the ocean floor sinks to the center of the earth from the weight of water
Tuvalu will be the largest continent.
17   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 11, 11:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?

Who does google work for?


Why, the NSA of course.
18   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 11, 12:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

Who does google work for?


Why, the NSA of course.

I know.
But if you have nothing to hide, why do you need the bill of rights?
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/5-islands-have-disappeared-from-the-solomon-islands-in-the-pacific-ocean-due-to-rising-sea
SYDNEY (AFP) - Five islands have disappeared in the Pacific's Solomon Islands due to rising sea levels and coastal erosion, according to an Australian study that scientists said on Saturday (May 7) could provide valuable insights for future research.
A further six reef islands have been severely eroded in the remote area of the Solomons, the study said, with one experiencing some 10 houses being swept into the sea between 2011 and 2014.
"At least 11 islands across the northern Solomon Islands have either totally disappeared over recent decades or are currently experiencing severe erosion," the study published in Environmental Research Letters said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/368892.stm
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
But if you have nothing to hide, why do you need the bill of rights?


So true!

Who needs freedom of speech when we have the mainstream press to tell us what all right-thinking people believe?

The bill of rights just protects Nazis and racists, so we need to get rid of it! Let's start by jailing people for using pronouns which reflect biological reality instead of self-absorbed fantasy. Ah wait, we already have a law which does that in California, SB219. Supreme Court does not seem to be defending the First Amendment, so it is clearly going away.
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_3b28c says
experiencing severe erosion,"


Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind

anon_dd91d says
where a natural trade wind cycle has caused an extra build-up of water over the last half-century."


Your Science lesson is completed for today!
22   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 2:43pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hurricanes routinely destroy and form islands. These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.

I have watched the Pacific Ocean in a few years erode areas along California. That is completely normal, because in Californian, the Pacific Ocean is an erosive force, not a constructive force, and it has nothing to do with Global Warming. The Pacific Coast is slowly eroding at a known rate. Beaches wash away and re-form in a cyclic manner, cliffs crumble, buildings/roads fall off cliffs because they shouldn't have been built there to begin with.
23   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 7:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_9ece2 says
Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind


Question: What causes more erosion?
Answer: Higher water levels.
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says
These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.


Yep, just like humans have existed for only a few moments of the earth's life and are not entitled to permanent existence either.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 9:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_3b28c says
anon_9ece2 says
Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind


Question: What causes more erosion?
Answer: Higher water levels.


Did ya miss this part?

anon_dd91d says
where a natural trade wind cycle has caused an extra build-up of water over the last half-century."


Note: extra build-up of water means there are "Higher water levels".

Does that help?
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 6:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_5df70 says
Did ya miss this part?


Please don't post about the commenter.

But, no I didn't miss that. You know what else causes an extra build up of water? Ice that used to be over land melting.
27   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 7:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says
Hurricanes routinely destroy and form islands. These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.


Don't get me started on Coral Reefs. Those things have been around for hundreds of millions of years and yet the alarmists pretend coral reefs themselves will go extinct over a few degrees F in average warming when they've survived countless ice ages and "hot ages".
28   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 7:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
the alarmists

Fewer of those each year the temp and sea doesn't rise.
For you few alarmists left, instead of scaring children with stories of wetbulb death and drowning, encourage them with stories of humans overcoming nature.
29   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
anon_5df70 says
Did ya miss this part?




But, no I didn't miss that. You know what else causes an extra build up of water? Ice that used to be over land melting.


How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?
30   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 8:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_def08 says
How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?


The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!
31   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!


Yes, let's commit trillions of dollars over the next century to MAYBE not do very much. That sounds like a logical course of action.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
anon_def08 says
How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?


The Settled Science can't answer this.


That's a serious question I would like the alarmists to answer.

I've seen the effect of wind blowing water and how high it can rise, sometimes by multiple feet. I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.

NYC still isn't underwater, so somehow there seems to be a disconnect with this whole ice melt = underwater hoax?
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!


Actually the safest course is to make the changes that we can make to reduce CO2 emissions and stop as much of the warming as we can.

Not sure who is panicking. I haven't seen any riots over climate change--did I miss them?

All I see are rational people showing potential outcomes if current trends don't change.
34   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I can't see neutrons therefore they must not exist.
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_def08 says
I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.


And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?

Idiocracy.
36   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?


Proxies aren't direct measurements. Ice Core Samples are Proxies, as are Tree Rings.
37   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Proxies aren't direct measurements. Ice Core Samples are Proxies, as are Tree Rings.


Sea levels aren't.
38   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 9:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says

All I see are rational people showing potential outcomes if current trends don't change.

So, what is the trend?
It seems the temperature has not changed much over the last 50 years. 2017 is cooler than 2015.
The scam is being exposed by nature.
39   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
anon_def08 says
I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.


And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?

Idiocracy.


Yes

40 years, the sea level hasn't changed at the same places I've gone to.

How's that?
40   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_7e933 says
Yes

40 years, the sea level hasn't changed at the same places I've gone to.

How's that?


My guess is your eyes are unable to tell the change as it's small compared to the changes due to tidal forces.

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