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More details into the Trump/Russia connection

By joeyjojojunior following x   2017 Feb 12, 7:40am 5,119 views   33 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/timeline-president-trumps-ties-russia-203729771.html

"As Business Insider has previously reported, the circumstances around this language change are controversial.  The reason for the language change has also not been well explained.
The Ukraine language change was orchestrated by two national-security experts sent to sit in on the subcommittee meeting on behalf of the Trump campaign, according to the original amendment's author, Diana Denman, who was also in the meeting.
One of the Trump campaign representatives present at the meeting, JD Gordon, has since denied intervening in the platform hearing. Gordon has also denied that Trump or Manafort were involved in the language change and that there was anything nefarious about it.
A member of the Republican National Committee present at the meeting, however, confirmed to Business Insider that the change "definitely came from Trump staffers."
The altered Ukraine policy amendment, with the softer language, ultimately was included in the new GOP platform. A few days later, WikiLeaks began publishing the emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign. The timing coincided with the start of the Democratic National Convention the following week."

If this really is true, then impeachment has to be on the table.

1   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 8:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

I'll stop right there, so many more in this FAKE news article....

Except a lot of it IS being verified. And the investigation continues....

2   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Feb 12, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

45's peons will defend retards because they want to keep their SOCIALIST jobs.

3   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Really??

Your article date was yesterday and they're still saying "unverified" and "allegations".

Yep-try reading the article. Then comment.

4   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 12, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

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joeyjojojunior says

What part of english language you do not understand. Allegations mean allegations, investigated means investigated. Remember those words were OK when you were talking about Hillary's emails. And that was 2 years and nothing has been proven so far. And with Trump it has been. now what, a few months and you want to brush it aside. Of course a Russian troll will do that . We understand you.

5   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Feb 12, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What skeletons does Putin hold on 45?
What do others have on 45 & just haven't released yet?
There is no way he ever pissed anyone off?

6   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 12, 10:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEY YOU says

What skeletons does Putin hold on 45?

What do others have on 45 & just haven't released yet?

Actually a reasonable question. You'd think that the mobster stuff could stick with the DNC being f the far more tech savvy and more intelligent of the two parties.

If there was any substantive evidence, NYTimes and WaPo would have put it on full blast, among others. The dirt diggers either didn't do their job or had such flimsy evidence that it couldn't be deemed newsworthy in this era of news

7   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

So, in your pea brain, "More details" equal "allegations" and "unverified" and "unsubstantiated"..

Really??

No, if you actually read the article, you would have seen these excerpts:

"According to a recent CNN report, moreover, US intelligence officials have now corroborated some of the dossier's material. And this corroboration has reportedly led US intelligence officials to regard other information in the dossier as more credible."

"Importantly, the timeline of known events fits with some of the more serious alleged Trump-Russia misconduct described in the dossier. And questions about these events have not been fully answered, including the sudden distancing of Trump associates from the campaign and administration as the events and Russia ties became public."

"But US investigators, who have opened investigations into several members of Trump's inner circle and their ties to Russia over the past year, say they have been able to corroborate some of the details in the dossier by intercepting some of the conversations between some senior Russian officials and other Russians, CNN reported on Friday. 
That has given the investigators "greater confidence" in the credibility of the some aspects of the memos, CNN's sources said."

8   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 10:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"The dossier alleges that the Trump campaign made a secret deal with Russia in which Trump "agreed to sideline" the issue of Russian intervention in Ukraine. In return, the document claims, Russia promised to feed the emails it stole from prominent Democrats' inboxes to WikiLeaks to damage Hillary Clinton's candidacy."

" In July 2016, while Manafort was still Donald Trump's campaign manager, a change was made to the Republican Party's policy on Ukraine. The change fits with the dossier's assertion that the Trump campaign agreed to soften US support for Ukraine in exchange for the Kremlin releasing damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

The Republican National Committee's original draft language on Ukraine proposed sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression. But after a sub-committee meeting at the convention, the "lethal weapons" line was softened significantly and changed to "provide appropriate assistance."

9   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 10:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"In December 2015, Flynn, then recently retired from the Defense Intelligence Agency, traveled to Moscow to speak at a gala celebrating the 10th anniversary of state-sponsored news agency Russia Today.
Flynn later told The Washington Post that he had been paid to speak at the gala, where he was photographed sitting next to Putin at dinner.
Top Democratic lawmakers are now calling on the Defense Department to investigate whether Flynn ran afoul of the US Constitution by accepting money from the Kremlin. 
Since the dinner in Moscow, Flynn has toed a Russia-friendly line that's out of line with his more hawkish former US defense colleagues. He has appeared on Russia Today (RT) several times as a commentator. He also suggested last year that he saw no difference between the state-run RT and other news networks like CNN, MSNBC, and Al Jazeera."

"Last Tuesday, Politico reported that Flynn will recommend that Trump support the ascension of Montenegro, a small Balkan nation, into NATO. Russia officially opposes such a move. But it aligns with the dossier's suggestion that the Trump White House would support raising commitments "in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine."

10   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 10:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Last Thursday, moreover, both The Washington Post and The New York Times reported that Flynn had spoken with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, about the US economic sanctions on Russia before Trump was sworn in — including at least one call on the day President Barack Obama imposed new penalties on Russia for its election-related meddling.
Both Flynn and Vice President Mike Pence initially denied that Flynn and Kislyak discussed US sanctions during these calls. But counterintelligence officials told the Times that they have transcripts of the conversations and that the sanctions were discussed. Flynn has since backtracked on his denial, saying that he doesn't recall exactly what they spoke about."

11   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 12, 11:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

I'll stop right there, so many more in this FAKE news article....

Where's Trump's Birth Certificate? Let him produce his longform...we're hearing allegations he was born in Volgagrad! We must investigate!

Every single avenue desperately trying to link Trump to Putin or Russian business interests has fallen completely flat, so desperate they made a thing about emails sent from Trump's Hotels that turned out to be a subcontracted Marketing Firm advertising discount stays that were sent to some clients of a Russian Bank on a list they purchased

Just like WaPo and ABC tracked down every single Ms. Universe contestant they could find, hundreds of them, and the only thing they got was Reality TV "Star", Drama Queen, Drug Lord Baby Mama and Getaway Car Driver, Alicia Machado saying "He Fat Shamed Me".

Sad.

12   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 12, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We'll see. This one doesn't seem to be falling flat on anything.

13   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Feb 12, 12:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

McCarthy is that you? Left is right and we're at war with Oceania, Winston!

14   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 12, 12:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trumpstein! Trumpstein! Trumpstein!

"How we overcame 'Tyranny' Before"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/opinion/sunday/how-we-overcame-tyranny-before.html?mabReward=A1&recp=1

Translated from DC Insider Speak: We are the smartest, most beautiful motherfuckers who ever lived. Anything less than our full control is tyranny!

16   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 13, 2:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What was the senior Pentagon Intel Official's Name? Because if there's no named source, I consider these things fake news now.

Or is this the deep state butthurt that the elected President isn't letting them work with their Saudi Pals against Syria and Russia for ISIS and Al Qaeda/FSA.

The Intelligence Community are the employees, not the boss. If they don't approach the administration as dutiful employees, they should be fired.

Unless you think it's okay for unelected taxpayer-paid employees of the Commander in Chief to implement their own foreign policy and refuse to cooperate if they don't like the President. If so, you are against the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

17   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 13, 2:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"What was the senior Pentagon Intel Official's Name? Because if there's no named source, I consider these things fake news now."

I'm sure you do. You consider it fake news if it leaves off an adjective that you think should have been used to describe the noun in the headline so I'm not sure you're the best judge of such things.

"The Intelligence Community are the employees, not the boss. If they don't approach the administration as dutiful employees, they should be fired."

For what exactly? Trump doesn't even read the briefings anyway so what does he care if it doesn't contain every bit of intelligence?

"if they don't like the President. If so, you are against the Rule of Law and the Constitution."

Let's not pretend this is because they don't "like" him. It's because they believe he is betraying the United States.

18   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 13, 2:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sure you do. You consider it fake news if it leaves off an adjective that you think should have been used to describe the noun in the headline so I'm not sure you're the best judge of such things.

Over the top exaggeration. Bullshit about Flynn, bullshit about Vermont Infrastructure being hacked when it was just a laptop an employee downloaded porn/casino shit onto, bullshit about "Chaos in the Administration".

joeyjojojunior says

For what exactly? Trump doesn't even read the briefings anyway so what does he care if it doesn't contain every bit of intelligence?

Also fake news - when he was PEOTUS, he read the briefings but only attended the big weekly meeting, not the daily ones. Pence and other key personnel went in his stead.

joeyjojojunior says

Let's not pretend this is because they don't "like" him. It's because they believe he is betraying the United States.

It's because he's not going along with the Deep State's desires for conflict over MacKinder Pivot Area and his unwillingness to assist the Absolute Monarchist Theocratic Gulf States in pushing Wahabism over Secular Dictators or Democratic rulership in the Middle East.

Wahabis have been a longstanding Intel Org ally, even after the 9/11 blowback. They like it the way it is.

19   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 13, 2:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Doesn't get any more FACTUAL and provide PROOF than that.

Maybe some anonymous former high ranking insiders and some Pentagon Officials will help prove the allegations by making unprovenced assertions. If they exist and the reporter isn't BS'ing. hahahhahahaahah

20   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 13, 2:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Over the top exaggeration"

I wish it was. But you've clearly shown that you are unbelievably biased and cannot judge a critical article from fake news. Or a journalistic mistake from fake news.

"Also fake news - when he was PEOTUS, he read the briefings but only attended the big weekly meeting, not the daily ones. Pence and other key personnel went in his stead."

Once again you show you are incapable to recognizing fake news. There may be some conflicting reports due to the Trump Administration realizing that it made him look uninterested and weak so now they are backtracking on his attentiveness to briefings. But it was not then and is not now fake news.

"It's because he's not going along with the Deep State's desires for conflict over the MacKinder's Pivot Area."

I know you would like to rationalize it as such, but the truth is much scarier. Trump clearly has ties to Russia and it is looking more and more likely that those ties are scary.

21   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 13, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does anyone think Flynn didn't have an inappropriate conversation? Nobody from the Trump Administration vouched for him on Sunday. I thought it was pretty well established at this point.

Flynn himself said that sanctions "may have come up" ffs

22   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 13, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Does anyone think Flynn didn't have an inappropriate conversation? Nobody from the Trump Administration vouched for him on Sunday. I thought it was pretty well established at this point.

Oh, are they gonna charge Flynn under the dun... dun... dunnnnnnnn Logan Act? Even though nobody in US History has been successfully prosecuted for it since it was passed by Jefferson Hating Adams People in 1799, more than 200+ years ago? And many believe it's unconstitutional? Have fun stormin' that castle! Good luck!

23   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 13, 3:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T L Lipsovich says

Oh, are they gonna charge Flynn under the dun... dun... dunnnnnnnn Logan Act? Even though nobody in US History has been successfully prosecuted for it since it was passed by Jefferson Hating Adams People in 1799, more than 200+ years ago? And many believe it's unconstitutional? Have fun stormin' that castle! Good luck!

Who's talking about charging him with anything?

24   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 13, 4:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Who's talking about charging him with anything?

All they have to do is spread the allegations, hype it, drive fear of Russia, and tuh-duh ... uninformed lizard brains come on over to the side of the Dems/Progressives/Anti-Trump Republicans. They even will get to claim bipartisan agreement, and make a play at: "Saving the nation from a descent into madness and control by a foreign power."

It's going to play well to group fear. Disgusting, but it will play well.

joeyjojojunior says

Flynn himself said that sanctions "may have come up"

Flynn is apologizing to Pence today ... "an administration official says". Trump administration leaks like a sieve. Security concerns? You bet ya!

25   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 13, 6:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

#IStandWithFlynn

They want a head to feel relevant.

26   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 5:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"#IStandWithFlynn. They want a head to feel relevant."

How'd that work out for you? Has Putin picked his replacement yet?

"General Flynn is In, WaPo is Out: A Letter to Liberals about Fake News."

Well done Ironman. You clearly have the pulse of current issues. And it's quite hilarious that you claim fake news on an article that turns out to be true less than 8 hours after you post it. You can't make this stuff up.

27   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 5:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Well done Ironman.

Ironman, Can you please find out from Putin, who the replacemnet for Flynn is ?

28   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 5:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Ironman, Can you please find out from Putin, who the replacemnet for Flynn is?"

Better off asking Lips. I think he's more connected to Putin.

29   bob2356   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 6:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

General Flynn is In, WaPo is Out: A Letter to Liberals about Fake News.

How did that prediction work out for you ironbrain?

30   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 8:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Ironman says

Really??

Your article date was yesterday and they're still saying "unverified" and "allegations".

Yep-try reading the article. Then comment.

31   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 8:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T L Lipsovich says

I consider these things fake news now.


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