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Trump might win What country should I move to?

By truth will find you follow truth will find you   2016 Sep 21, 1:07pm 11,759 views   94 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


I'm planning to have a child in the next year or two, and if Trump wins, I think there is a very real possibility that the USA is simply not a country to count on as a place to live. Now, I'm a citizen by birth, so my child will of course have US citizenship, no matter where he/she is born. Likewise, he/she will have Taiwanese citizenship, but then again, with possible/likely Chinese takeover, while a very nice place to live today, it might not last forever.

So, I'm thinking of driving to Canada before the birth, as Canada also gives birthright citizenship.

What other countries have birthright citizenship, and serve as a good hedge to the current two options that my child will have?

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41   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 21, 7:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

truth will find you says

Trump might win What country should I move to?

South of the border. When and if you and your child return, you will have been instantly transformed into Hispanic minorities.

42   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

South of the border. When and if you and your child return, you will have been instantly transformed into minorities.

You don't seem to read very well... so sad!

43   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2016 Sep 21, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Everyone who self outed identifying personal information on the interwebs please stand up!

44   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2016 Sep 21, 7:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Why don't you go ahead the fill us all in with your detailed knowledge of the vetting process. I'm always willing to learn from the experts. Feel free to add you vast fund of knowledge and experience to the people who actually do the vetting. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/30/the-process-for-interviewing-vetting-and-resettling-syrian-refugees-in-america-is-incredibly-long-and-thorough/

No where in your article is there ANY independent verification of these stories. Asking the same questions over and over is little different than having the same questionaire filled out, over and over.

UNHCR handpicks these refugees who are in the most need of protection only after the U.N. has collected their identity documents, recorded their bio-data information, conducted iris scans, and interviewed them to determine that they are truly in need of resettlement.


Again, the identity documents are easily purchased on the black market, indistguishable from the real thing because they are the real thing, just took a bribe to get them.

An Iris scan does not tell us that you or your father is a Jihadi.

An interview is of no account and can be lied through. Kids are easily coached as the infamous Mass daycare showed.

A real vetting is like what the FBI does to give you top clearance - talking to neighbors, childhood friends, current and former co-workers.

Finally, UNHCR people are self-selected international goody-two shoes and many, if not most are not American. Many don't speak Arabic and depend on interpreters.

It would be like hiring Swedish Social Workers to determine if a violent felon from Illinois ought to be paroled, and having to rely solely upon interviews through a English-Swedish interpreter.

Finally, we are dealing with people form MENA countries, not Germany. There ain't that much in the way of records, records are generally poorly kept, and even if they are genuinely from war torn countries, much of those records would have been lost. If they have a totally fictional set of ID then they won't show up in any database.

The best bet is to keep the camps around Syria. There is no war going on in Jordan, and it's a lot cheaper to help them there, and easier for them to return.

45   bob2356   ignore (4)   2016 Sep 21, 8:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

you might want to learn how to use google.... FFS!

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

I can use google just fine. I forgot to say developed countries. If you want citizenship for you kids in the third world craphole then by all means go for it. A Guatemala passport would be so useful. BTW the map is way out of date. Chile eliminated unlimited birthright citizenship in 1980, you can request it but it's not automatic. Columbia is not birthright any more either. I read a few years ago Antigua and Barbados are going to or have dropped it too. They missed Lesotho. Pakistan, and Tuvalu.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the ...

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

As happens in government bureaucracies the laws and regulations conflict. Feel free to skip the Report of Consular Birth or getting a passport and see how it works out for your kids. Be sure to show the consulate the law as written and tell them you don't need to stinking forms because your kids are citizens at birth. You will eventually get it fixed. The definition of eventually (which could be years) would depend on who is in charge at the embassy and how much they think you are interrupting their god given right to unlimited face book time, golf time, and cocktail time. Let us know how it all turns out.

46   bob2356   ignore (4)   2016 Sep 21, 8:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

No where in your article is there ANY independent verification of these stories. Asking the same questions over and over is little different than having the same questionaire filled out, over and over.

Whatever you say dude.

47   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 8:23pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

As happens in government bureaucracies the laws and regulations conflict. Feel free to skip the Report of Consular Birth or getting a passport and see how it works out for your kids.

Oh FFS, of course you have to file a form. What did you expect, write "US citizen" on the babies butt with a sharpie and its done? So yeah, that doesn't mean it isn't the law...

Looks like Canada is winning. I guess I'll have to learn to speak Canadian eh?

48   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 8:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

curious2 says

if you oppose the KKK and Nazis, how do you defend Islam?

A moronically stupid question.

And yet you failed to answer. In reality, you can't answer, because you insist on importing Islam without reading it, as if you insisted on drinking poison without reading the ingredients. You might be able to recite some talking points, but you haven't read the actual doctrines, so you don't know what's in them, and thus you can't explain why you defend the worst while opposing the others. You insist moreover on feeding that poison to your family and neighbors, and you don't seem to understand why people don't trust you. You claim to be smart, but you decide based on partisan sloganeering and ignorance, while insulting everyone else and putting other people in harm's way.

Long ago, drunk driving was legal. Drunk drivers could honestly say that most of them had never killed anyone, nor even destroyed other people's property. It didn't matter. A majority of voters decided, you're not going to take that sort of risk with our lives anymore. Importing Islam is moving in that direction.

This thread began with the OP question, where to move if America stops importing Islam. The answer is obvious: if your desire to have Islam near you matters so much to you that you are willing to risk people's lives for it, then move to one of the many countries in the world that have Muslim majorities. You can find a list, for example if you sort the countries in the world based on happiness, you can find nearly all of the most miserable have Muslim majorities, because of the horrible consequences of that hateful fraud. You should have no trouble relocating to such a place, as many people there are trying to get out.

49   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 8:54pm     ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

This thread began with the OP question, where to move if America stops importing Islam

No it didn't you utter lying piece of shit. don't make shit up and pretend I said it, you utter fucking piece of trash!

NOTHING in my post says that.

Maybe that is the problem with you trumptards, you are just too fucking stupid to read and think.

50   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

truth will find you says

What country should I move to?

IRL, I've told smokers they should quit, and non-smokers that they shouldn't encourage smoking. Most of them agree. Even the smokers don't react with the hostility that the defenders of Islam show. In contrast, even non-Muslim servants of Allah threaten or commit violence on behalf of the charlatan Mohamed's hateful fraud, for example a Dutch animal rights activist assassinated Pim Fortuyn on behalf of Islam. Maybe Islam commands so much hatred and lethal violence that the fervor seems to spill over to even non-Muslim supporters, or maybe they are motivated more simply by the prospect of Saudi Petrodollars.

51   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 21, 9:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

truth will find you says

I support freedom of religion. FOR ALL

I support freedom FROM religion for all under the age of 18. Religious indoctrination of children is child abuse.

52   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 9:15pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

curious, you are on ignore.

Trump will likely ruin America through:

1. gutting education. His various policy statement, "make more vouchers" get rid of the department of ed, and his own history of a scam university shows he couldn't care less about it.
2. increase racial tension beyond anything we've seen since the end of slavery. His recent quotes encouraging more stop and frisk, and his blatent racism guarantee this.
3. start a real trade war with Mexico. They are our #3 trading partner, and this alone could knock 3-5% off of gdp, causing one of the worst recessions in history.
4. who knows with China... trade war, real war? all bets are off.
5. small war with Iran. His ill tempered statements that our troops should "shoot at iranians" if they make rude gestures is just one of many of his loose cannon bullshit ways of dealing with crisis, that can cause things to blow up.
6. alienate us completely from europe.... Our #1 partner in the world, and most of our allies.

Now he is definitely a bigot against muslims and will worsen our problems in the middle east, but for you curious to say, that I'm "leaving America cause trump is blocking muslims" honestly, you are just real fucking stupid. sad.

53   MAGA   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 21, 9:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mexico?

54   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 21, 9:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

Ah, the great "science" of psychology has produced another masterpiece.

Do you need help figuring out what the problem with that article, as well as with your comment, is?

55   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 9:28pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

And yet you failed to answer. In reality, you can't answer, because you insist on importing Islam without reading it, as if you insisted on drinking poison without reading the ingredients. You might be able to recite some talking points, but you haven't read the actual doctrines, so you don't know what's in them, and thus you can't explain why you defend the worst while opposing the others. You insist moreover on feeding that poison to your family and neighbors, and you don't seem to understand why people don't trust you. You claim to be smart, but you decide based on partisan sloganeering and ignorance, while insulting everyone else and putting other people in harm's way.

What are you blathering on about? We are talking 10000 people this year, maybe 100,000 next, mostly women and children. Such a huge number.You're going to be surrounded by them there Muslim people. Or not.
And I can absolutely guarantee that I know more about Islam and Muslims and have more Muslim friends than you. I speak from a position of experience and knowledge. You though are speaking from a position of fear as evidenced by your stupid comparison with the KKK and Nazis. I didn't respond to that because it isn't worthy of a response.

56   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Sep 21, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

curious, you are on ignore.

triggered.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

No it didn't you utter lying piece of shit. don't make shit up and pretend I said it, you utter fucking piece of trash!

double triggered.

57   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 21, 9:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

I know more about Islam and Muslims and have more Muslim friends than you.

The first part of that sentence is obviously false. If you knew more about Islam, you wouldn't defend it. It's like defending smoking by claiming you know more about smoking and smokers, and have more friends who smoke.

The second part is misleading. You appear to be the sort of person who has more than a thousand "friends" on Facebook, where they say only fashionable things that will get Likes. "Kamal...was eager to mention European friends with whom he discusses religion (but not the project).”

58   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2016 Sep 21, 9:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberia

Freest country in the world, if you're into driving around and shooting everyone you see.

59   komputodo   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 21, 11:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

truth will find you says

I am an enlightened, pacifist, vegan Buddhist

I'm a vegan also except once a week I usually have a NY strip, some pork ribs, bacon, and maybe a burger. But I identify as a vegan so that counts.

60   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 2:54am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

The first part of that sentence is obviously false. If you knew more about Islam, you wouldn't defend it. It's like defending smoking by claiming you know more about smoking and smokers, and have more friends who smoke.

Except I'm not defending Islam, I'm responding to your sweeping over generalisations. There's a difference.
curious2 says

The second part is misleading. You appear to be the sort of person who has more than a thousand "friends" on Facebook, where they say only fashionable things that will get Likes. "Kamal...was eager to mention European friends with whom he discusses religion (but not the project).”

I don't have a Facebook account and only consider friends to be those I have had face to face contact with, so feel free to try again.

61   marcus   ignore (10)   2016 Sep 22, 6:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

truth will find you says

Trump might win What country should I move to?

If Trump wins, Canada might have to think about building a wall.

62   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 22, 6:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The resemblance is uncanny...

Ironman says

The Deplorable DFJ says

Everyone who self outed identifying personal information on the interwebs please stand up!

63   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 22, 6:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This goat has been gotten...

landtof says

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

curious, you are on ignore.

triggered.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

No it didn't you utter lying piece of shit. don't make shit up and pretend I said it, you utter fucking piece of trash!

double triggered.

64   ohomen171   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 6:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Argentina Or Uruguay

65   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Sep 22, 6:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

66   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 22, 1:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You consider citizenship to one of the only countries that will tax you on foreign income, while you're living abroad a good option!? I have a co-worker who has Canadian and Israeli citizenship, and for that reason will not become a US citizen.

BTW, if a giant douche in some positions a 1000 miles removed from your life can upset the balance, you're screwed regardless of where you go. Grow a spine and take responsibility for your own success or failure in this world. Until you can, please don't burden a child with your enslaved outlook on life.

67   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 22, 1:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says

Grow a spine and take responsibility for your own success or failure in this world

Except for rust-belt meth-heads who can't rent a U-Haul, and six-figure tech workers whingeing about H1-b's: these groups deserve government protection, plus our sympathy and Christian prayers.

68   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:22pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

I'm not defending Islam

Good.

Rashomon says

I guess [Muslims] are the present day's demonized 'others.'

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the 100,000 European Muslims who joined the SS and fought for HItler) and KKK. When you advocate importing them, it looks like you're defending their hateful, horrible doctrine. Can we at least agree that before allowing them to immigrate, you would require them to renounce the charlatan Mohammed and his hateful fraud of Islam? If you can't agree to that, then you're necessarily defending Islam, and advocating its spread. If you cared about Muslim refugees as you claim, then you would oppose the wars so they wouldn't be displaced, or at least say that they should be sheltered in a Muslim country, e.g. Saudi Arabia, where they want to go for hajj anyway. Instead, you support the cruel NATO/Saudi plan to pump explosive gas and Muslims into Europe.

69   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:42pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the Bozniak Muslims who joined the SS) and KKK. When you advocate importing them, it looks like you're defending their hateful, horrible doctrine. Can we at least agree that before allowing them to immigrate, you would require them to renounce the charlatan Mohammed and his hateful fraud of Islam? If you can't agree to that, then you're necessarily defending Islam, and advocating its spread.

What's the relevance of saying some Muslims joined the SS? You may as well mention that the majority of them were Christians. I believe that the US should take a share of the responsibility for the utter mess they've made and the humanitarian crisis that has occurred. And last I checked with your constitution, it wasn't a requirement to renounce your faith before entering the country. But hey, just as I mentioned about the demonized 'others,' you pop right up with such a requirement. Surprise, surprise.

70   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

Yet more posts in the spirit of Bernie. You sure you voted for him?

71   mell   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 22, 1:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

errc says

Why do these self loathing morons feel the need to lie about Islam?

Yet more posts in the spirit of Bernie. You sure you voted for him?

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

72   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Nothing in the Constitution gives non-resident aliens a right to immigrate. Read it yourself.

Rashomon says

What's the relevance of saying some Muslims joined the SS? You may as well mention that the majority of them were Christians.

Many thousands joined because their Grand Mufti told them to, because of the similarities between Islam and Nazi beliefs. I don't pretend to know the religious beliefs of every SS member, maybe you can ask your many Nazi friends. I'm pretty sure the Pope at the time didn't tell Catholics to join the Nazis, though Benedict (aka Nazinger) did join anyway.

73   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

What contradiction are you referring to? Errc posts like the typical right winger on here yet claims he voted for Bernie.

74   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:55pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Nothing in the Constitution gives non-resident aliens a right to immigrate. Read it yourself.

I never said it did. I said that people aren't required to renounce their religion in order to enter the country.

curious2 says

They joined because the Grand Mufti told them to, because of the similarities between Islam and Nazi beliefs. I don't pretend to know the religious beliefs of every SS member, maybe you can ask your many Nazi friends. I'm pretty sure the Pope at the time didn't tell Catholics to join the Nazis, though Benedict (aka Nazinger) did join anyway.

Yeah, yeah, remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time. And the Muslims shared enemies with the Nazis at that time as any idiot looking at the way the region was divided would understand.

75   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time.

Fascism, which you seem to support.

76   mell   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 22, 1:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rashomon says

mell says

Not much contradiction here. See also https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump

What contradiction are you referring to? Errc posts like the typical right winger on here yet claims he voted for Bernie.

They are not, many of his views are libertarian or left-leaning. You're being obtuse again. The polls wouldn't be so close with many now seeing Trump in the lead if a big bunch of Bernie voters wouldn't have defected to the Trump camp. And they are growing by the day. Hillary has a big problem here, that cannot be talked over by accusing every defector of being a typical right-winger from the get-go.

77   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 1:58pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Rashomon says

remind us all of the main religion in Germany at that time.

Fascism, which you seem to support.

Try again.

78   OneTwo   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 2:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says

They are not, many of his views are libertarian or left-leaning. You're being obtuse again. The polls wouldn't be so close with many now seeing Trump in the lead if a big bunch of Bernie voters wouldn't have defected to the Trump camp. And they are growing by the day. Hillary has a big problem here, that cannot be talked over by accusing every defector of being a typical right-winger from the get-go.

It's not obtuse. He's been spouting a number of alt-right lines recently. And any rational run down of the comparative policies of the two candidates shows that Clinton's policies are far more closely aligned to Bernie's platform. Remind me again who Bernie endorsed.

79   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (6)   2016 Sep 22, 2:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

They are the present day equivalent of Nazis (read about the Bozniak Muslims who joined the SS)

Are you sure it's valid approach to decide who's the "present day equivalent of Nazis" based on who "joined SS" some 70 years ago? People from many nations joined SS during WWII. You know who did it in the biggest numbers? Russians.

80   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 22, 2:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Straw Man says

who's the "present day equivalent of Nazis" based on "joined SS some time in the middle of last century"?

The thousands of Bosnian Muslim SS are only examples. The reason they joined is what matters most: the actual similarities between Islam and Nazi ideology, as pointed out by the Muslim Grand Mufti and Nazis themselves at the time.

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